While the LUG is in upbeat mood, anybody here have latest stable  versions  of 
Debian (4r5), OpenSuse(11) and Ubuntu server(8.10)? Aside from downloading them 
of course.

regards
Joachim


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> Subject: LUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 20
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> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 2:36 AM
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>    1. Re: Re: Obama (Wire James)
> 
> Was the pre-installed culture a problem or an innovation
> worth
> celebrating? I honestly think it is a problem to those that
> don't fancy
> marketing. Despite being a FLOSS guy, I do admire some of
> the marketing
> innovations M$ brought into the Software industry.
> 
> Wire
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> On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:57 +0300, Simon Vass wrote:
> 
> > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop
> market is quite simple.
> > Linux is not easy to use. 
> > 
> > I think it has more to do with aggressive marketing by
> Microsoft in 
> > making sure all OEM's install Windows. Windows 3.x
> was a travesty in 
> > terms of easy of use but it started the whole
> pre-installed culture 
> > which we are still fighting today.
> > 
> > 
> > Simon
> > 
> > Simon
> > 
> > Mugarura Cavin wrote:
> > > The reason why
> > > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop
> market is quite simple.
> > > Linux is not easy to use. You dont need a doctor
> (Western/African) to
> > > tell you this. The different distro's have
> tried to address this
> > > concern. So simon - I did not state that Linpus
> is the messiah, but i
> > > suggested that it has a chance. There could be
> other's which are even
> > > simpler.
> > >
> > > can i stop here.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, 
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> > >>
> > >>   1. Re: Why You should all Care. (Simon
> Vass)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:58:10 +0300
> > >> From: Simon Vass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Why You should all Care.
> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Users Group
> Uganda <[email protected]>
> > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
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> > >>
> > >> and breath...... well said Jon. I think
> Joseph might have been playing
> > >> devil's advocate though. I was most
> interested in
> > >>
> > >> Obama's rise to the highest seat, should
> be a lesson to cliques who
> > >>     
> > >>> think Microsoft will dominate forever,
> > >>> i have i used several distro's of
> Linux, but right now i might say
> > >>> Linpus is the closest to wrestling
> Windoze
> > >>> from the lead.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>       
> > >> Is there ways we can use this recent election
> to draw experiences to
> > >> promote Open Source? Yes I think that OSS can
> be spread much faster
> > >> through the grassroots, which seems to have
> played a huge part in this
> > >> election. We can encourage that changing to
> use OSS is not something to
> > >> fear but embrace. To quote the man "Yes
> we can!". We can continue to
> > >> define/develop how open source differs from
> closed and keep explaining
> > >> how the community works.
> > >>
> > >> IMHO I do not think any one distribution  is
> going to wrestle the lead
> > >> from Microsoft, and in all honesty I think
> this is no longer the battle.
> > >> Focusing on the desktop has developed Linux a
> long way but with more and
> > >> more Applications being placed in the cloud I
> think this is a) were the
> > >> focus should be and b) were I think Linux
> actually leads. What is
> > >> interesting is that Microsoft are listening
> and have sped up the
> > >> development of Windows 7. This should be the
> communities focus, as this
> > >> I feel is a primary strength. The speed at
> which many can move over one
> > >> monolith company is amazing. I am always
> amazed at how withing hours of
> > >> a bug being filed in Linux fixes are posted,
> where as it take MS weeks.
> > >>
> > >> This I feel is one of the OSS double edged
> swords,  that you can "skin
> > >> the cat" any one of infinite
> (exaggeration) ways and as such it become a
> > >> myriad of options and choices, and no sooner
> do you make your choice and
> > >> a new one is presented. I seem to spend my
> entire life reading and
> > >> learning about new applications and methods,
> which I love, but recognize
> > >> this is not for everyone, and a very big part
> of my job is to filter
> > >> this for my clients.
> > >>
> > >> So how to we retain the complexity and
> diversity of OSS, but at the same
> > >> time allow people (including me) to make
> simple decisions as to which
> > >> OS/Email App/etc they would like to use, and
> would do the best for them.
> > >>
> > >> Personally I feel very buoyed about the
> elections in the U.S. and
> > >> especially by the reaction of the world to
> it. I too come from a diverse
> > >> background and have a diverse heritage.
> Anything that allow
> > >> people/countries to move beyond the politics
> of me to us and our I think
> > >> can only be a good thing. I especially was
> blown away at how
> > >> Youtube/Twitter played a part in this
> election. Whilst the realism that
> > >> for the majority of Africans is that this is
> still a world away, slowly
> > >> one person at a time this is changing and
> with it the way we must view
> > >> the world as a collection of  individual
> countries and or distributions.
> > >>
> > >> Simon
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> J.Gosier wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>> I can't believe this was said from a
> native African.
> > >>>
> > >>> Here is the one reason why everyone in
> the world should care that
> > >>> Obama is th president Elect of the United
> States.  Since World War II
> > >>> the U.S. has been the most powerful,
> influential nation on the
> > >>> planet.  For better or for worse, the
> economy exploded rapidly, the
> > >>> state of Europe today was 100% affected
> by what happened then and
> > >>> Africa has been on the receiving end of
> shovels full of money from
> > >>> both the U.S., Europe, the U.N. and the
> World Bank.  Because of other
> > >>> nations meddling, there's been a
> chess game at work when it comes to
> > >>> Africa's developing countries.  One
> leader is aided in wresting power
> > >>> from someone else more corrupt because
> other nations around the globe
> > >>> have vested interests in having someone
> 'friendly' to their ideals.
> > >>> That more than anything has been the
> story of Africa since colonialism.
> > >>>
> > >>> This has lead to the deaths of millions
> to the rise of a number of
> > >>> 'bad idea to begin with' leaders
> all over the continent.  As much as
> > >>> America claims it doesn't play this
> game, it does.  It's helped define
> > >>> borders (ex. Liberia) and end wars. 
> It's helped fight famine and slow
> > >>> the spread of AIDS.
> > >>>
> > >>> So whomever controls the most powerful
> and influential nation in the
> > >>> world, becomes by default the most
> powerful person in the world.  That
> > >>> person can be an stubborn, intolerant,
> childish, ignorant,
> > >>> unprecedented moron like Georgia W. Bush
> or it can be a progressive,
> > >>> inspirational, open-minded person like
> Barack Obama.
> > >>>
> > >>> When the U.S. bombed Somalia looking for
> Al-Quaeda in 2006-7 you're
> > >>> telling me it 'didn't matter'
> who was in charge to make that
> > >>> decision?  When we started an endless war
> in Iraq for reasons that
> > >>> were blatant lies to the American public,
> it 'didn't matter' who was
> > >>> in charge?  When our country put pressure
> on all our 'allies' to
> > >>> mirror our decisions in all this, it
> 'didn't matter' who was in
> > >>> charge?  When the American economy tanked
> because of poor regulation
> > >>> and oversight from our government, it
> 'didn't matter' that this
> > >>> rippled around the world (arguably)
> sending the world economy into
> > >>> recession?  And ultimately, when George
> Bush and John McCain tell the
> > >>> American public 'Nothing is wrong,
> everything is fine.  We must stay
> > >>> the course.' it doesn't matter? 
> Despite the fact that most of the
> > >>> world disagreed with how we were making
> decisions.  It absolutely
> > >>> matters.  In fact it matters so much, it
> matters more than it
> > >>> *should*, for the sake of
> 'world-democracy'.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even if you don't agree with the
> policies, the ideals and culture of
> > >>> America, one thing is for sure: we're
> all connected.  My interest in
> > >>> what's going on in America right now
> is every bit as deep as my
> > >>> concern for what will happen to the ANC
> in South Africa and the
> > >>> situation in Congo.  One thing affects
> another and, especially in
> > >>> Africa, history shows us that when one
> area falls into a chaos, it has
> > >>> a way of negatively affecting the
> countries around it.
> > >>>
> > >>> People around the world often complain
> about how dumb, ignorant and
> > >>> aggressive American people can be. 
> I'd argue that, while one man
> > >>> can't possibly change 300 million
> people, he can lead in a way that
> > >>> inspires more to be like him.   He can
> simply serve as a positive
> > >>> example.
> > >>>
> > >>> The excitement has nothing to do with the
> fact that he's black and a
> > >>> first generation African-American, in my
> opinion.  That's just a
> > >>> footnote among all the reasons to be
> excited about Obama...and this is
> > >>> coming from a Black-American.  I'd
> have been just as excited if his
> > >>> ancestry were Asian whatever else if his
> ideals and philosophies were
> > >>> the same.  Hilary Clinton would have made
> an 'okay' leader but a few
> > >>> things curbed my interest in her a) how
> she (negatively) ran her
> > >>> campaign and b) the fact she supported
> the Iraq war.  Again, it has
> > >>> nothing to do with race or gender,
> it's all about the mans mentality
> > >>> and what he's exemplified in his
> actions.
> > >>>
> > >>> Okay, enough ranting about my country for
> now.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Jonathan D. Gosier
> > >>> Appfrica International
> > >>> P.O. Box 1420 Kampala, Uganda
> > >>> http://appfrica.net - African Technology
> and Social Media Blog
> > >>> http://appfrica.org - Incubator for East
> African Entrepreneurs in Software
> > >>>
> > >>> Uganda                +256.773806071
> > >>> USA           +1.520.318.0828 ext 145
> > >>> UK            +44.2032398156
> > >>> Skype         j.gosier
> > >>> Twitter               appfrica
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> joseph mpora wrote:
> > >>>       
> > >>>> I really don't see the cause for
> all the excitement. I can understand
> > >>>> why African-Americans are excited,
> it's the first time the US has
> > >>>> picked a president from a minority
> (can't remember the exact
> > >>>> percentage but its around 20%)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For Africa, it probably bears not
> real significance. Obama is
> > >>>> American, his priority is America. I
> believe his dad (the Kenyan)
> > >>>> abandoned his family and Obama has
> only visited Kenya a few times.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Would we be this excited if it had
> been Hillary Clinton, an election
> > >>>> which would have been just as
> historic?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> PS: I was routing for Obama, mostly
> because what he said made sense,
> > >>>> not because he is black (ahem,
> African-American)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> J
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM,
> Dennis M S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>         
> > >>>>> Need i say more....history has
> been made ,now every down trodden
> > >>>>> fellow can dream....it can only b
> USA
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