Today's Topics:
1. Re: Certification vs Experience (Rob Gipman)
2. Re: connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11
(Reinier Battenberg)
3. Re: connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 (Rob Gipman)
4. Re: Certification vs Experience (Mwirima Byaruhanga)
5. Re: Certification vs Experience (sanga collins)
6. Re: Certification vs Experience (Niles Collins)
7. Re: Certification vs Experience (Rob Gipman)
8. Re: Certification vs Experience (Rob Gipman)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:09:09 +0300
From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience
To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <1259762949.26914.84.ca...@gipukan>
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I'm with you on that Victor :)
Gip
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:20 +0300, Victor Miclovich wrote:
hire what your gut instinct tells you to... if I'm given only 2
choices: the paper freak and the scarred veteran (without papers)...
I'd choose the veteran;
if I have 3 options
- paper freak
- scarred veteran
- paper freak & scarred veteran (with battle bruises)
I'd choose the third...
We are looking at all possible options and logical thought... if my
instinct tells me that, in the 3-option case, scarred veteran-only is
a fun guy and has all good qualities like being a team player, with
some great communication at least with me (even other team members)...
I might reconsider option number 2 :)
cheers
Victor
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]>
wrote:
> So do you hire the guy/gal who looks like he/she can do it
or the
> gal/guy who has the battle scars?
i'd hire one with both
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:15 +0300
From: Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11
To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
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Hi Douglas,
As several people stated, you have to provide more information.
rgds,
reinier
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:23:16 +0300
From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11
To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
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:) was about to say same here..
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:15 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote:
Hi Douglas,
As several people stated, you have to provide more information.
rgds,
reinier
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:09:15 +0400
From: Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience
To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
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sanga collins wrote thus on 12/2/09 5:56 PM:
Here is my take on the whole matter and why I would lean towards the
experienced candidate.
Certifications can be bought.
whomever buys a certification will certainly have some sort of
experience to back it up, else, like they say, ... you'll be a
barefaced.
Experience has to be earned. An
experienced candidate can even read the course work necessary to
obtain that cert without actually taking the exam.
but it *is* different from taking the exam.
Still I would like my employees to have at least one cert/degree in
the it field. To me that conveys that they have the drive and
motivation to complete their college education or at least be
qualified for the job.
ack.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:17:48 -0500
From: sanga collins <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience
To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
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when i said bought ... i didnt mean going to the black market and purchasing
a counterfeit certificate and exam scores. i meant that education can always
be paid for. but experience is not something you go to your local college
and register for classes.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]> wrote:
sanga collins wrote thus on 12/2/09 5:56 PM:
> Here is my take on the whole matter and why I would lean towards the
> experienced candidate.
>
> Certifications can be bought.
whomever buys a certification will certainly have some sort of
experience to back it up, else, like they say, ... you'll be a
barefaced.
> Experience has to be earned. An
> experienced candidate can even read the course work necessary to
> obtain that cert without actually taking the exam.
but it *is* different from taking the exam.
> Still I would like my employees to have at least one cert/degree in
> the it field. To me that conveys that they have the drive and
> motivation to complete their college education or at least be
> qualified for the job.
ack.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:25:57 -0500
From: Niles Collins <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience
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I was thinking of bought as in, going to a technical school for 1 year to
become MSCE certified but don't know a single thing about computers when you
get out. But you are certified and therefore on a short list of candidates
as soon as you apply for a job.
I have encountered quite a few of these people in my career. A good
interviewer should weed these candidates out but that does not happen most
of the time.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:29:05 +0300
From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience
To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
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That would work a lot in Uganda and els where in Africa. I've already
seen plenty with a computer knowledge certificate that do not know how
to insert de cdrom in the drive! Or connect a utp cat5 cable!
In the western world one can call the training companies to ask if you
did pas for the exam you hold and show. I wonder if MUK or the others
hold up to that here.
Gip
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:17 -0500, sanga collins wrote:
when i said bought ... i didnt mean going to the black market and
purchasing a counterfeit certificate and exam scores. i meant that
education can always be paid for. but experience is not something you
go to your local college and register for classes.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]>
wrote:
sanga collins wrote thus on 12/2/09 5:56 PM:
> Here is my take on the whole matter and why I would lean
towards the
> experienced candidate.
>
> Certifications can be bought.
whomever buys a certification will certainly have some sort of
experience to back it up, else, like they say, ... you'll be a
barefaced.
> Experience has to be earned. An
> experienced candidate can even read the course work
necessary to
> obtain that cert without actually taking the exam.
but it *is* different from taking the exam.
> Still I would like my employees to have at least one
cert/degree in
> the it field. To me that conveys that they have the drive
and
> motivation to complete their college education or at least
be
> qualified for the job.
ack.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:31:38 +0300
From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience
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Like I was just saying I even saw to many certified sitting behind a
desk and calling themselves IT Manager. Permit thos that a
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:25 -0500, Niles Collins wrote:
I was thinking of bought as in, going to a technical school for 1 year
to become MSCE certified but don't know a single thing about computers
when you get out. But you are certified and therefore on a short list
of candidates as soon as you apply for a job.
I have encountered quite a few of these people in my career. A good
interviewer should weed these candidates out but that does not happen
most of the time.
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