Hi Kyle,

(Please don't top post, guys, it makes replying with history very hard. I 
had to manually reformat this message to do it).

On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 16:45 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote:
> > > Kyle, what are you using for your smtp? is should be smtp.orange.ug

On Monday 08 February 2010 16:53:54 Kyle Spencer wrote:
> > My organizations IMAP/SMTP servers.  What else? :)

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Reinier Battenberg wrote:
> Forwarding all your SMTP traffic into the Orange server is not 
> necessarily a bad idea. You wont be using your international bandwidth 
> to deliver your mail that way.
> 
> You might get into trouble if Orange would ever be blacklisted though. 
> Which, being a public ISP using unauthenticated SMTP, is not, Murphy's 
> Law, impossible.

Any decent ISP will implement outbound SMTP port blocking and force their 
customers to use the ISP's mail gateway with some policy filtering.

Imagine how many 3G and ADSL users right now are sitting on infected 
laptops and desktops pumping out spam. The ISP's gateway (a) makes it much 
more difficult for these worms to send spam, as they have to find out the 
gateway address somehow, and maybe authenticate to it; and (b) allows the 
ISP to implement outbound spam filtering.

I not only refuse to accept email sent directly from dynamic IPs of all 
kinds when I can identify them (e.g. using zen.spamhaus.org), I blacklist 
entire ISPs that obviously don't take enough care with spam filtering. I'm 
sure others do the same.

Orange France does not block outbound SMTP as far as I know, and they are 
one of the worst sources of spam to me, so they have been blacklisted from 
my mail server for about two years.

Cheers, Chris.
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