Tim, Next meeting is August 20th, we haven't chosen a venue yet. Any ideas guys?
Simon Vass Technical Manager E-Tech Uganda Ltd http://www.etech.ug Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 email: [email protected] skype: e-techservicedesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Schofield" <[email protected]> To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 7:38:11 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [LUG] Experiment on Content (Yesterday's radio) Hi Simon, Running away isn't really my style :-) I would be really happy to lead a discussion on the importance of copyright in open source software, if it is something that people are happy to talk about. I am in Arusha at the moment but should be back in Kampala at the weekend. When is the next meeting? Thanks Tim On 09/08/2010, Simon Vass <[email protected]> wrote: > Tim, > > Before you run away in anguish, could I suggest this be discussed at a LUG > meeting? Perhaps you could give an presentation of copyright/copyleft etc? > > I think the main problem is one of education regarding the rights of users > versus the rights of copyright holders? > > I don't know if Paul Assimwe is on the this list but is a IP lawyer, so can > also give a legal definition of the law, as it stands. > > It sounds like it would be a interesting debate? > > > Simon Vass > Technical Manager > E-Tech Uganda Ltd > > http://www.etech.ug > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 > email: [email protected] > skype: e-techservicedesk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Schofield" <[email protected]> > To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 1:32:13 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq > Subject: Re: [LUG] Experiment on Content (Yesterday's radio) > > > Well Badru I find it very depressing that I am alone in defending the > rights of copyright holders on a LUG mailing list. I think that there > are very few other countries in the world that this would be so, and > that is so sad for the future of this country. We should surely be > leading the fight for the rights of copyright holders, and not > defending those who abuse them. > > However I am obviously in a minority of one on this list, so am going > to sign off from this thread. > > Thanks, > Tim > > > On 9 August 2010 13:22, Badru Ntege (MPP) <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tim > > > > In all honesty and trying not to be offensive. > > > > You are living in Uganda but you are not in Uganda. > > > > > >> > >> For me the definition is simple. > >> u > >> Theft = The taking of something that does not belong to you without > >> the permission of the rightful owner. > > > > [] > > As stated by Abdi we leave in twisted times where in some cases the artists > > pay the stations to play their music. > >> > >> I assume that you will agree that in this instance you are taking the > >> copyrighted works of these artists, and that also you don't have their > >> permission to take it? > >> > >> Now your argument, if I can summarise it correctly, is that other > >> people are doing the same to the artists, so that makes it ok for you > >> to also do this. Is this a correct summary? > >> > >> If so, then there is not much point in in continuing this discussion, > >> as we are never going to persuade each other of the morality of our > >> positions on this subject. > >> > > > > [] > > Tim If you insist on narrowing this whole engagement on the definition of > > theft then you are right not to continue. If you are prepared to step back > > and look at the wider positive implications of this engagement then surely > > there is allot more that could come out of this. As Kyle has also pointed > > out the grey area seems to be wider here and the value of engagement is to > > narrow the grey area and look for a compromise position where all parties > > benefit. In the absence of that they will be more loosers than winners in > > this debate. > > > > > >> Thanks > >> Tim > >> > >> e > >> On 9 August 2010 12:39, Badru Ntege (MPP) <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Will you be releasing this code, so that others will be able to > >> >> benefit from and extend it? > >> >> > >> > Not yet to the general public but down the road maybe. > >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I am not convinced that the morality of theft is subjective. If you > >> >> take the copyrighted material of artists, and do not obey the > >> license > >> >> terms of the material, then surely this is theft? Whether or not you > >> >> seek to make money - and we all want to make money - is irrelevant. > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you leave in Uganda which I hope you do and watch local TV or > >> listen to > >> > local radio stations then you are also contributing to the "immoral > >> act of > >> > stealing" since it is on record that none of the stations actually > >> payout to > >> > the artist. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> But you would be making money from the content, because without the > >> >> content the site is nothing.[] > >> > [] > >> > For your information the primary objective of this work is to start > >> > practical dialogue in local content. Making money out of this is not > >> even > >> > in my plan for the next 12 months. We need to move web development > >> beyond > >> > the basics of put a site up and charge someone to visit. That is a > >> very low > >> > level transactional development with minimal sustainability. > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > We need to engage more on this and not limit what we do to whether > >> it > >> >> fits > >> >> > into some law or not. > >> >> > >> >> ????? > >> >> > >> >> Really? > >> >> > >> > Yes really, if I read you right our role in society should be to > >> comply with > >> > whatever has been prescribed and not question or dare to want to > >> change the > >> > status quo. The whole debate of the internet and it's impact on > >> society is > >> > far wider that you seem to want us to cover here and thus the > >> insistence on > >> > questioning the morals of what we do. > >> > > >> > The laws of Uganda have major gaps and experiments like this open > >> these out > >> > to dialogue and should be open to all and not just the select few. > >> When you > >> > simplify this to subjective moral standards and summaries it to > >> calling it > >> > theft I would call that morally wrong based on my subjective > >> standards of > >> > morality. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> You have proof that these stations are perpetrating systematic > >> theft? > >> >> Can you put that proof forward in the public domain? > >> >> > >> > I engage with many local artists and I can assure you none of them > >> get any > >> > payments from radio stations. Neither do international artists. > >> Nore do > >> > the programs aired on Bukede TV with luganda voice overs. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> As someone else pointed out in this thread the fact that somebody > >> else > >> >> is stealing doesn't make it right for you to. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Can you legally as per the current laws of Uganda support your > >> statement > >> > that this is THEFT ?? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > LUG mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> > > >> > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > > >> > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail- > >> archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> > > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >> (including attachments if any). 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