On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 21 September 2010 10:22, mugisha moses <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The choice of code editor is a very personal thing. Everybody has
> >> their own requirements.
> >>
> > It may be a personal thing but a developer can only be as productive as
> the
> > tolls he or she uses.  Developing an IDE is not an easy task (eclipse
> took
> > like $200 mil to develop) . i think maybe its about what you are doing .
> if
> > you want just a text editor you can stick with "other tools"  but if you
> > really want an Integrated Development Environment ....then Eclipse is the
> > best open source tool for python development........
>
> Well the reason this subject causes so many arguments is that each
> developer has their own needs. For instance I hate code completion. I
> know how to code I don't want my editor telling me how to code. Its
> just a distraction to me. But thats just my personal feeling, I know
> many developers who love code completion.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Personally I hate eclipse. I find it slow and bloated. I once brought
> >> this up with an eclipse developer who told me to buy a better
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> Buy a better computer to run a glorified text editor!!
> >
> > Eclipse only gets slow and blotted when you try to install all the
> plugins
> > that exist....  its a balance ...cut what you dont need and leave what
> you
> > need and you get the best ide ever conceived...  and Eclipse is an IDE
> not
> > just a text editor...
>
> As far as scripting languages go, IDE is just the name developers give
> code editors when they get bloated :-)
>
> When the initial IDE's were developed the idea was to integrate the
> compiler into the editor, doesn't really apply to scripted languages.
>

Dynamically typed languages may not have the best Ides at the moment but
java has really shown than IDEs do work and they are important.  If you try
out the javascript ide  in intellj ...you will find out that not all ides
for dynamically typed languages do suck ...

>
> >>
> >> Over the years many people have told me that I should learn emacs or
> >> vi. Why should I have to "learn" a code editor. I just want to write
> >> code.
> >
> > Productivity ... Productivity ..Productivity ...Every developer knows
> that
> > key strokes are way faster than moving a cursor around the screen. if you
> > want to save yourself precious minutes (life is short) ....then you have
> to
> > spend some painful time learning elisp...in the end its worth
> it...because
> > you can basically do anything in emacs without using the slow mouse
> ....even
> > check mail
>
> I agree, you manage to use eclipse without a mouse?
>
keyboard shortcuts?

>
> >>
> >> For about the last year I have been using a modified version of Geany
> >> (http://www.geany.org) as my editor, but its by no means perfect, but
> >> the best I have found so far.
> >
> > unless i were actively developing it;  i would never use a product still
> at
> > 0.1 ...thats too young  few users and lots of bugs
>
> well thats your personal view. I like to help open source projects
> that show promise to grow. Geany has a lot of users, and a sizeable
> following. Projects don't get into the major distro repositories if
> they are as full of bugs and as unusable as you seem to believe Geany
> is. Take my advice, never go by version numbers on open source
> projects, they are a very unreliable way of finding out about them.
>
> >>
> >> IMHO
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
>
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