Zentyal or Zimbra over Exchange + AD any day of the week and twice on Sundays. In terms of sheer time spent administering each system, and therefore to me the TCO or TCA. I still administer both, even with Powershell which does at least allow the option of headless delivery for Windows and Exchange (wonder where they got that idea from). To the multi gig updates just to run the platform!
Zentyal and Zimbra both do a great job of bringing together Postfix+Dovecot+Web Interface+Database store+LDAP, Zentyal does without having to anywhere near a tarbell/deb file if you don't want. We do need to do a whole lot more to promote Linux both in the front and back office, far more people ask about and have heard of Linux than a few years ago. In my day dreams I imagine one day it might be fun to do some TV/Web programs around Linux, but so don't have the time. I see Albert Mucunguzi has a Tech spot on UBC maybe we could suggest sending our more smartly dressed members along to talk about free and open source software? Simon Vass Managing Director E-Tech Uganda Ltd http://www.etech.ug Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 email: [email protected] skype: e-techservicedesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus A. Wipfler" <[email protected]> To: "Uganda Linux User Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 2 February, 2012 1:44:25 PM Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? Mostly true. Windows is APITA and fugly. But seriously would you rather administer Active Dir + Exchange or try to move your whole Org to SAMBA + LDAP + courier/dovecot, etc…. Of course you could look at stuff like zimbra but if you want enterprise level functionality you will still have to pay for it. Also there is always the compatibility issue with legacy applications and windows only hardware drivers, not to mention staff retraining. I love linux and a great part of my work is spend in a terminal window but the average user will never even want to know what a tar ball is or how to apt-get install a bin, and why should they? Regards, -- Markus On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote: You have to admit though, sometimes one really wants to do exactly that. :) Windows can be frustrating if one is used to something more... serviceable. Cavin Mugarura < [email protected] > wrote: When doing a migration you have to use your brain Not scorched earth policy, by dousing every computer with windows with gasoline and setting it ablaze T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network "Markus A. Wipfler" < [email protected] > wrote: > > > >> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to Linux > >Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz company in >charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software like >Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or thousands >of users. >Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch that >fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to migrate >all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible but is it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't necesarily make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux for Linux sake is plain stupid. > >Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a switch to >Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are back to running >windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to 3 issues: > >- hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work when >they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of support >and time required to make them work) >- interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software, >especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) >- training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, unfamiliar >software, cost / time of training staff) > >As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here in >Uganda is in the market of S oHo and SME's. Here Linux could be used as a cost effective and even superior alternative to propriatary software with a relatively low learning curve for end users. (Employes still use outlook, ms office but with linux backend, firewall, router, directory service, intra/extra net,etc…) > >IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to everyone? It >reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone else is going >straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. > > >Regards, > >-- >Markus > > > > > >> >> If you fail to do so, blame yourself >> >> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana >> noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the market >> and he is now quarrelling with the road >> >> If you are referring to job posting s advertising fo r Microsoft skills that's another issue >> >> This issue is actually a side show >> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in government, >> schools, private sector and non profits >> >> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results >> >> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work together >> and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears >> >> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s not >> different from a pastor preaching to a choir >> >> >> "Stephen S. Musoke" < [email protected] > wrote: >> >>> Ronald, >>> >>> >>> >>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the desktop, so >>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. Truth be told, Windows is >>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating with >>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. >>> >>> >>> >>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find Windows for >>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application server >>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM >>> To: Uganda Linux User Group >>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >>> >>> >> > >>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out and >>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in part >>> to >>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into the >>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over windows. >>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been put in >>> promoting them. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga < [email protected] > wrote: >>> >>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise Microsoft >>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and banks) I >>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end in >>> Uganda in particular. >>> >>> So, the question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the demand for >>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in effect, >>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? >>> >>> >>> >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>> [email protected] >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] / >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted b y INFOCOM: >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug / >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>> any way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks and Regards, >>> >>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>> [email protected] >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] / >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug / >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). 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