Somewhere around 1999 - 2000 I was working for a company that was implementing this as commercial product.
DMG _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jake Markhus Sent: 16 May 2012 16:20 To: 'Uganda Linux User Group' Subject: Re: [LUG] Better Mail Server...? I was personally SORELY pissed to find pgp is a REGISTERED trademark! Where was I when this happened? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Benjamin Tayehanpour Sent: 16 May 2012 15:47 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] Better Mail Server...? +1. But since FireGPG died, there is no way to seamlessly integrate OpenPGP into GMail. Which I suppose is why we have proper mail clients, but yeah... On 16 May 2012 15:38, Jake Markhus <[email protected]> wrote: Isn't that what we have pgp for? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Benjamin Tayehanpour Sent: 16 May 2012 15:08 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] Better Mail Server...? Well, just like it sounds. End, to, end. That is, from sender to recipient. You encrypt the message on your device before Google even touches the data, and the recipient decrypts the data after it has left Google's infrastructure. Just because GMail is over SSL doesn't mean the entire chain from sender to recipient is. On 16 May 2012 15:03, Jake Markhus <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Benjamin, what do you mean "end-to-end encryption"? I thought most access to Google is over https! Except for the chatting. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Benjamin Tayehanpour Sent: 16 May 2012 14:45 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] Better Mail Server...? It all depends on what kind of business you have. Were Google Apps to provide end-to-end encryption for all services, then yes, I would recommend it. But if you are a major corporation, you have major secrets to keep, most of them intellectual. Ergo, either own your infrastructure or make sure end-to-end encryption is in place. Note that I by "major" corporation mean corporations such as Microsoft, IBM, Ford, that magnitude. Same thing with hospitals, law enforcement, governments, and any other enterprise where sensitive information which is not necessarily yours is part of a normal day's work. Also, the cloud is not a "fad". But cloud as a hype word is. The definition of the "cloud" is "the delivery of computing and storage capacity as a service to a heterogeneous community of end-recipients." On that definition alone, we've had "cloud computing" since the eighties, since dial-up BBSen would count. Especially if you take into account FidoNet and similar things. I don't like the word "cloud" because it effectively sweeps the underlying structure under the rug. There is no cloud. It's a server. Or several load-balanced servers, if you're lucky. On 16 May 2012 14:22, Peter Kyoma <[email protected]> wrote: Why do you recommend one's own infrastructure for a major business? They (Google Apps) seem to have major business clients too. Aren't the advantages (currently) stacked in favour of outsourcing email to keeping one's infrastructure? Or is it because of your (earlier confessed) skepticism about the whole "cloud" fad? Peter. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour <[email protected]> wrote: Here's a vote for Google Apps for Education. For a major business I would probably have recommended your own infrastructure, but for .edus Google Apps fits (fit? Google Apps -- singular (one service) or plural (several apps)?) the bill. On 9 May 2012 11:48, Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> wrote: Brian, The major issue you need to consider is the reliability of Internet connectivity, however I would still go for Google Apps for Education. Why: - Email is a commodity - there is no business advantage to own your own infrastructure - Zero configuration - set it and use it - No hardware/software licensing/consulting/maintenance/upgrade costs - No upgrades etc infact the space allocated is sufficient for EDU needs as they grow - by the time students are using 10GB mailboxes - Capacity all you have to do is pay more - no purchasing of hardware/configuring etc its all in the cloud - Access outside the main university campus is guaranteed - You get Calendaring, docs, Google Drive and all other Google services bundled in with the mail package. - Web based access, Mobile Access, MS Outlook, Windows/Linux/Mac/Iphone/Blackberry/Windows Phone/Android clients all supported out of the box - Web based management, monitoring and management - One bill - did I say you only pay one bill yes to Google, but still one bill - Pricing - I am pretty sure that Google can sweeten the deal even more if you are willing to go for a lockin Just my 1/= Stephen From: Brian Ssennoga [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:27 AM To: Uganda Linux User Group Cc: FBT; [email protected]; FOSS certification Subject: [LUG] Better Mail Server...? Community, Still a chilly mid-morning from Kampala. I am steadily falling out of favour with SME - and 2 of my very trusted buddies have pitched strongly for Zimbra ( http://www.zimbra.com/products/compare_products.html) and Qmailtoaster (http://www.qmailtoaster.com/). I also happen to have a discussion with Google Apps, to secure Apps for EDU. Our values are simple - we will use FOSS, and look elsewhere in the event that its SIGNIFICANTLY better and/or cheaper (without discounting features). We are a University, and so we are growing - and I must think about a solution that will serve well into the next 5 years, for an exponential growth of users. I must remember to tame my passions, for the sake of the organization. I must also think about ease of deployment, and the possibility to migrate from SME. What is yo take? -- Love indeed conquers all..... Brian A. 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