Dear David, as usual your knowledge in this field is really enlighteninga| In fact the Jean Desmoulins lute having been so heavily modified, it would carry very limited informations about the French lute building in the XVII century.
I've always been surprised that, in spite of the important amount of French music of the period, we have next to zero surviving lutes. It makes me think that, right after the lute vague expired in France, all lutes and theorbos went to the waste bin. A shame. Best, Luca Il giorno 16 agosto 2015 @ 12:48:24, David Van Edwards ([1]da...@vanedwards.co.uk) ha scritto: Dear Both, Alas the Des Moulins has a more recent soundboard, bridge, neck and pegbox so only the back is definitely original. Nonetheless Julian Stryjak has pointed out how similar the outline is to the famous Mouton painting by FranAS:ois de Troy in Paris and indeed he has built nice copies. The Allard is indeed interesting in spite of its later conversion to a mandora because it may have the original soundboard (and barring?) so I would love to make a drawing when I next visit Brussels. However no plans to do so as yet! X-rays which would be of the greatest interest may be more difficult in these days of shortage of money. Best wishes, David > Hi, > > the most famous French lute maker in the period you're coveting seems > to have been Jean Desmoulins: his only surviving lute is at the > CitA(c) de la Musique in Paris (E.979.2.69) and pictures are available > on line (I guess plans should be available from the CitA(c)). > > I just notived that the search functionality of the CitA(c) seems to be > down, so you can see the lute here as well: > [1]http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/09102/_CM_0161079.html > > In any case the French luthier Julien Stryjak (once in Strasbourg, now > in Saint Germain lA"s Buxy) builds a copy, so he probably has plans as > well. See > [2]http://www.julienstryjak.com/en/les-instruments-instruments/luth-bar > oque-baroque-lute/ > > All the best, > > Luca > Il sabato 15 agosto 2015, Lutherien <[3]luther...@t-online.de> ha > scritto: > > There's an important lute by C. Allard in Brussels (see > > [4]http://carmentis.kmkg-mrah.be/eMuseumPlus?service=direct/1/Result > Lightb > > oxView/result.t1.collection_lightbox.$TspTitleImageLink.link&sp=10&s > p=S > > collection&sp=SfieldValue&sp=0&sp=0&sp=3&sp=Slightbox_3x4&sp=0&sp=Sd > eta > il&sp=0&sp=F&sp=T&sp=0) . The instrument was originally very > probably > an 11-course lute and is also in the book by R. Lundberg. It > seems that > it is the only still extant lute by a (late) 17th c. French lute > builder which still has the original belly. A Canadian lute > builder > told me that he has a drawing and x ray and that he thinks that > the > lute or parts of it may even be from the 16th c. and then have > been > turned into an 11-course by Allard. The museum says that there is > no > drawing nor x ray. I am confused - it would be very important to > have > at least a drawing of this important instrument. I specialize on > French > baroque lute music and would love to have a good 11-course based > on > this lute, preferably with rather old belly wood and a kind of > warm and > delicate tone. All lute builders who happen to travel to Brussels > - > please try to make a drawing of the Allard and make it available > to the > community of lute builders. > Thank you! > C. D. > > __________________________________________________________________ > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App fuer Android > -- > References > 1. > [5]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.telekom.mail > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > >References > > 1. http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/09102/_CM_0161079.html > 2. >http://www.julienstryjak.com/en/les-instruments-instruments/luth-baroq ue-baroque-lute/ > 3. mailto:luther...@t-online.de > 4. http://carmentis.kmkg-mrah.be/eMuseumPlus?service=direct/1/ResultLightb > 5. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.telekom.mail > 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk -- References 1. mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk
