"Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> The simplistic solution is to look to the family of C major (and I have an
> advantage as a lever harpist as as I am fixed in a diatonic scale once I set
> the levers for the key signature - unless I flip during the piece). The
> relative minor of C is A (as you well know) - and the V chord is an E triad
> on the "white keys", making it a minor third.

doesn't work that way with baroque music, Jon.

> As to the Caccini piece, why do you assume that the key is G minor when it
> has the one flat signature of F major?

It doesn't have *the one flat signature of F major*. That would be 19th
century musical theory on *pure part-writing*. One flat, in 16th and
early 17th centuries, was to indicate transposed 1st or 2nd tones, i. e.
(to speak in modern terms) melodic lines based on G instead of D.

> Is that because of the "minor" sound
> of the piece? If you feel that the tonic is G then that would probably make
> it Dorian mode, a minor sounding mode (the tonic being the II of the basic
> major (Ionian)). I come back to the diatonic C scale. The seven modes can be
> harmonized with no "black keys", as long as the composer didn't intend them.
> (And I'm leaving out the several minors). I haven't heard much in Phrygian,
> Lydian or Lochrian - but the Doran and Mixolydian are common modes with a
> minor sound. (The Aolian being the "relative minor", and it sometimes varied
> at the VII note).

that is, as I said, 19th or, rather, 20th century musical theory which
cannot at all be applied to 17th century continuo issues.

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Mathias

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