Dear Ed,

A tempting thought, but I don't think Dalza uses the fermata as a
sign for a breve. In the pieces called Tastar de corde Dalza has
several chords with a fermata, for example the piece starting like
this:

           |\  |\ |\        |\ |\ |\ |\
           |   |\ |\        |  |\ |\ |\
 ^    ^    |   |\ |\   ^    |  |\ |\ |
 .    .    |.  |  |    .    |  |  |  |
-0--|----|-----------|-3--|-------------|-
----|-0--|-3---2--0--|----|-------------|-
----|----|--------.--|----|-0-----------|-
----|----|-----------|----|-3-----------|-
-0--|-2--|-----------|-0--|-------3--2--|-
-0--|-0--|-0---------|-3--|-2--0-----.--|-
                               .

(A mono-spaced font is essential for this to look right.)

Each bar consistently lasts a semibreve, so the fermata sign cannot
mean a breve. If Dalza wanted a bar's worth for each chord, he would
have used the sign for a semibreve for each chord, i.e.

 |
 |
 |
 |

In his introduction Dalza shows all the available note values
represented by flags, including fancy flags for triple time. He
gives the following five basic signs:

 |   |\  |\  |\  |\
 |   |   |\  |\  |\
 |   |   |   |\  |\
 |   |   |   |   |\

He would presumably have included the fermata sign along with these
signs, if he had thought of it as a breve. The fact that he leaves
it out in the introduction would suggest that he didn't consider it
to be a sign with a fixed note value like the other rhythm signs. I
think he means that the player should wait a suitably long time on
each chord with a fermata.

I'm afraid I don't fully understand what he says about these signs,
and would appreciate help from an Italian speaker. This is the
passage, with my attempt at a translation:

Questi sonno li segni
[Here are the signs.]

 |   |\  |\  |\  |\
 |   |   |\  |\  |\
 |   |   |   |\  |\
 |   |   |   |   |\

El primo significa la mesura a che devi tegnir:
[The first means the pulse (beat) which you must keep:]

laqual bisogna pigliarla si larga che in quel tempo tu posse dare le
botte del numero diminuto:
[this needs to be held long enough for you to be able to strike
shorter notes within that time.]

per che lo secondo segno vale per la mita del primo.
[because the second sign is worth half the first.]

El terzo per la mita del secondo.
[The third (sign is worth) half the second.]

El quarto per la mita del terzo.
[The fourth (sign is worth) half the third.]

El quinto per la mita del quarto.
[The fifth (sign is worth) half the fourth.]

Dalza then goes onto describe the rhythm signs for triple time. I
can't see any reference to the fermata sign.

I'm afraid I don't know about the origin of the fermata sign, and
would appreciate help in that direction too.

Best wishes,

Stewart.














----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Tablature rhythm signs


> >Where the singer's
> >staff notation part ends with a long, the lutenist's tablature
has a
> >pause sign instead. I've not looked very far, but my guess is
that
> >longs were generally confined to final bars, where the exact
length
> >of the note was not very important.
>
>
> That is most interesting Stewart. It got me to thinking, I wonder
if
> those signs that look like fermatas in Dalza are really just a way
to
> notate a breve. That's more or less the way I've always played
them.
> I don't think I've ever come across a longa in tab.
> cheers,
> --
> Ed Durbrow
> Saitama, Japan
> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
>
>



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