Sorry Jon,

As you've discovered, your "bible" of chordophones is, in part, simply 
wrong (probably simply simplified, either actively to be comprehended by an 
isolated American audience or passively out of ignorance).  Of course, you 
are correct in that the nomenclature and organology of such stuff is rather 
plastic.  Still, repetition of construction and acceptance of the results 
standardize terminology, and knowing what a term usually implies is useful.


At 04:48 AM 12/28/2004, Jon Murphy wrote:
 >The
 > "Chordophones" (stringed instruments) occupy the most space. I see the
 > mandolone (lute) in the index, also the mandocello (lute)- (and a
 > machete(lute) and a mandolinetto (ukelele), and a mandobass
 > (lute)). The parentheticals are in the index, and others are (guitar), 
(viol),
 > as well as more. But I don't see the mandora, which I have music for - oh
 > well, no book can be perfect.


At 05:44 AM 12/28/2004, Jon Murphy wrote:
>Roman, again we meet in agreement. My bible of historical instruments lists
>the mandocello, but not a mandoloncello. I think you are right about which
>is corrupted. The violoncello is a different family, and the forming word is
>violin (as contrasted to viol - as in viola da gamba, a fretted instrument).
>
>The mandocello is larger mandolin. The sequence in size is mandolin,
>mandora, mandocello, mandobass.


If the guitar and ukulele justify separate categories from lute, Neapolitan 
mandolin relatives certainly do.  The Neapolitan mandolin family with which 
modern readers are familiar as _the_ mandolin--i.e., usually with standard 
tunings in fifths with metal or mostly metal strings passing over a bridge 
to fix to hitch pins set into the tail block or, later, a tailpiece--did 
not come to be until the end of the baroque era and literature did not 
begin to appear for it until ca. 1760.  But the terms mandolino/mandoline 
and mandola had been in use for over a century before.

The very earliest instruments named mandola were actually 5- or 6-course, 
gut-strung instruments with fixed bridges and were tuned (g-g), b-b, e'-e', 
a'-a', d"-d", g"-g"; they were much more like soprano lutes than modern 
mandolins and did bear some relationship to the late-renaissance 
mandore/mandora with which you are familiar, Jon.  Ugo Orlandi says the 
term mandolino was originally applied to such a mandola with only the 
highest four courses, still tuned in fourths: e'-e', a'-a', d"-d", 
g"-g".  I don't know what corroboration he has for this theory.  Later, the 
soprano instrument in six courses (mandola as described above) usually was 
referred to as "mandolino" and "mandola" came to be applied to a larger, 
often 6-course lute, an Italian analogue to the later mandora or gallichon 
(the rococo-era Italian 6-course mandola was often tuned to the same 
intervals as 6-string guitar and sometimes from E).  Because the 
baroque-to-rococo-era mandolino is so different from the modern 
mandolino/mandoline/mandolin of Neapolitan descent, modern cataloguers have 
taken to calling it things like "mandora" or "pandourina" as terms of 
convenience, but this simply is incorrect: period literature names it 
simply mandola or mandolino.  Such terms of convenience are dangerous in 
that they threaten to isolate a rich body of repertoire (including works by 
the likes of Vivaldi, Scarlatti, Handel, Arrigoni, etc.) from an instrument 
with which to execute it.

The mandolone is a very large and unwieldy Neapolitan mandolin relative, 
tuned A-A, D-D, G-G, c-c.  Again, the original and more proper term for the 
violoncello-tuning analogue is mandoloncello, as named by its 19th-c. Roman 
originators/refiners, Maldura and Embergher; "mando-cello" and subsequently 
"mandocello" are Americanized corruptions that have taken hold in 
English-speaking places.  Then there is the liuto cantabile or liuto 
moderno; Raffaele Calace claimed to have invented this instrument, but a 
few of his contemporaries built them as well.  This was simply a 
mandoloncello with a high e'-e' course added to make it a more viable soloist.

The Neapolitan-family instrument to first carry the name mandola was the 
instrument tuned an octave below the Neapolitan mandolin: G-G, d-d, a-a, 
e'-e'.  The analogue to viola, again, was developed by Luigi Embergher in 
his efforts to emulate the string quartet late in the 19th c. and 
originally was named mandoliola.  Again, the American use of "mandola" by 
Waldo, Gutman, Howe-Orme, and later the Gibson Co. for the viola analogue 
has become the widely used term.  The Calace shop (now run by Raffaele 
Sr.'s grandson) still builds both sizes of mandola.  They differentiate by 
referring to them as "mandola a sol" and "mandola a do;" I like that 
terminology, have adopted it, and refer to the bigger as "mandola in G" 
rather than "octave mandolin" (or "bouzouki" or any other modern, upstart 
terminology that was created in the isolation of Stefan Sobell's shop).

"Mandolinetto" has nothing to do with ukuleles or machetes.  This term is a 
rather informal reference to instruments built for tunings and set ups 
analogous to Neapolitan mandolin relatives, but with a guitar-like or 
generally waisted profile.  The most famous and those the term usually 
describes were built for Boston's Howe-Orme label and featured a 
pronounced, pressed cylindrical arch running the center of soundboard in 
line with the strings/neck.  As I'd mentioned last time, Howe-Orme was one 
of the first entities (certainly one of the first in North America) to 
offer the full family of mandolin relatives in analogy to the standard 
violin family.



>Do I call it a chandora or a mandango?


How about "charango."  Deviating from the standard tuning of a thing does 
not make it a different instrument.  If some ambitious luthier begins 
building similar things to be optimized in that tuning, it differs 
substantially from the standard charango, its construction becomes a 
standard of sorts, and a repertoire evolves around it, then the makers of 
such things might feel justified to create a name to differentiate their 
concoctions from "charango."  For now, I'd say tune it however you'd like, 
play whatever repertoire appeals on it, and call it what it is: charango.


>But the name is important in one thing, to the extent that it defines the
>open string tuning it sets which intabulated music you can play if you call
>for it by name.


Voila.  Standard tunings, in part, help to define instruments and their 
repertoire (especially in tablature), but alternate tunings do not redefine 
an instrument, whatever repertoire you intend to tackle with it.

Best,
Eugene 



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