Many professional artists of the day carried around a number of pre-painted items that all they had to do was insert face. So, yes it is possible the person actually holding the Lute was Schlubb, a fourteen year old peasant boy.
Vance Wood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "timothy motz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: left hand thumb to stopbass notes > >Yet another possibility is that the owner of the face might not be > the owner of the hands. It would not be uncommon for a studio > assistant to pose for most of the modeling of the figure (including > the pose holding the lute), while the portrait head would be worked > out from sketches made of the real sitter. In many cases the subject > of a portrait would have been too busy and important to spend hours > sitting in a fixed position modeling for an artist. So a live model > would stand in. After the figure had been finished and the face > mostly painted, the painting would be given its final touches in a > relatively few sessions with the actual subject of the portrait. > > If this portrait is indeed Francesco da Milano, it doesn't > necessarily follow that the pose holding the lute is that of a > trained lutenist. It could have been the artist's 14-year-old > brother who was the right height and was acting as a cheap model. > > We know, for instance, that in many cases the female figures in > Renaissance paintings (whether portraits, religious figures or female > allegories) were actually painted using the young male assistants of > the artist as models. You can't take these paintings at face value > (no pun intended). > > Tim > > > > > > >---- Original Message ---- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: left > >hand thumb to stopbass notes > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:16:43 +0100 > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>this site is a great source for lute pictures! > >>I don't want to insist but ... for acuracy see > >>http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1-Pages/Image115.html (introdiced > >on the > >>site as possible portrait of Francesco da Milano) and imagine what a > >thumb > >>this guy must have had. Anyway the chord he fingered looks plausible > >and > >>the right hand position (including the position of the fingers), > >too. What > >>chord would you choose when posing for a paintig? Surely a rather > >common > >>one (as in 115, where a F-Major is depicted assuming G-Tuning) - > >B-E-c > >>would be a rather odd chord for that. > >> > >>As already mentioned by others: > >>It's well possible that the guy of the picture in question just > >"posed" and > >>the position of his left hand fingers are just like "grabbing" the > >lute. If > >>you take a look at /image30.html you see the thumb raising over the > >neck > >>but is not fingering. I wonder how the chord would sound fingering > >like > >>that > >> > >>And regarding the original picture I wonder at which time it was > >painted. > >>The lute model looks interesting ... > >> > >>Best wishes > >>Thomas > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 17.02.2005 16:12:23 > >> > >>An: LUTE-LIST <[email protected]> > >>Kopie: > >> > >>Thema: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: left hand thumb to > >stop > >> bass notes > >> > >>> so play the chord this guy here is fingering. (Bb on the 6th > >course, E > >>on > >>> the the 5th, C on the 3rd assuming a ren- lute in G) Which fingers > >on > >>your > >>> right hand would you use? > >>> * The right hand doesn't seem to pluck the strings this guy is > >fingering > >>> (he seems to pluck the 2nd and 4th string ) ... > >>That doesn't mean much. His right hand might have plucked and the > >left > >>lagged. > >>Alfonso Marin's iconography page has a staggering number of > >left-thumbers > >>http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1.html, some protruding, some > >fretting. > >>RT > >> > >> > >> > >>To get on or off this list see list information at > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >>CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are > >confidential and > >>may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify > >the > >>sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another > >person, use > >>it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
