Yes, I agree with you, Jon. Whereas I am always aware of modal 
characteristics when I play or sing anything in any mode, it is not
clear to me how ascending and descending notes are different
on instruments that have fixed intervals, unless you use a very
unusual technique. For example, on instruments that go out
of tune all the time, rather than quit playing to tune again, you
can stop the string behind the nut if the string goes flat to bring it
up to pitch. This technique is rather unorthodox and not recommended
except in desperate situations. Other than that I can't see how fretted
instruments have the degree of pitch control that violins, violas, etc.

Maybe Mathais can enlighten both of us on this one.

best,
Marion

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Feb 25, 2005 8:36 PM
To: Lutelist <[email protected]>, 
        Mathias R�sel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lute game for MS Windows.

Mathias,

> well, yes, it does. I, for one, when I play renaissance music, enjoy
> listening to ascending and descending lines that follow the habits of
> their respective modes. It's fun and it makes that music so much more
> interesting to me.

You have lost me here, perhaps it is my lack of formal early music
education. This is a question, not a quarrel. I don't see how the ascending
and descending lines can differ on a fretted instrument. I'm interpreting
your meaning as being that the intervals subtly vary (as they can on a
violin type instrument) depending on the direction. One has to eat the
Pythagorean comma somewhere. But it was my understanding that the several
forms of tempering on fixed pitch/note instruments (fretted, harp, piano,
etc) were a way solve the comma by averaging. Not because it wanted
solution, but because it needed it when the note pitches were fixed by the
frets whatever the direction of flow.

I'm sure you are right, but please help me in understanding it.

Best, Jon



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