in celebration of ve day here in europe the bbc world
service broadcast an interview with an extraordinary,
104 year old pianist who survived internment by the
nazis. in the interview she said she believed all
musicians are beautiful - regardless of their
political views - because they all have music in their
minds.
if we were to meet and i were to say to you that i
come from the united states, would you automatically
start to evaluate me according to your list of
american ills (as listed in your previous contribution
below) as we speak or would you even see me at all?
- bill
"G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Arto,
>
> you are one of the (if not the) oldest contributors
> to this list, and
> have been with it from the beginning. I'm sure that
> many of your
> contributions have been insightful and worthwile for
> many lutenetters.
> Perhaps it even gives you some kind of "special
> rights", to do what
> you do every once in a while, but IMO you are either
> very náve or
> rather cunning.
>
> Take for instance this need to drop an anti-american
> bomb on the net
> twice a year or so, stopping all the other
> interesting threads going
> on at the moment, (which are such delicate,
> ephemeral and soon
> forgotten things). It is quite an arrogant and also
> destructive thing
> to do, if you really think about it! Although I can
> very well
> understand your frustration about the policy of the
> USA, especially
> under Bush. It's a frustration that is supposedly
> shared with a
> substantial part of today's world. (At least in
> Europe and the Middle
> East).
>
> What you are not taking into consideration is that
> this list is read
> by and contributed to, mainly by americans. How
> could you expect to
> influence them in any other way, than to make them
> defend their
> homeland and values? The handful of foreign
> contributors here don't
> have a chance in the world to achieve that. What did
> you achieve with
> your previous 3 or 4 incitements? Did you learn
> anything?
>
> IMO, many americans are not very interested in
> finding out or caring
> about what happens in the rest of the world. And why
> should they? They
> live in a soap-bubble world of their own. The USA is
> a *huge*
> continent. You can easily devote a whole lifetime
> trying to learn
> about it's history, geography, internal politics,
> etc. without having
> to care getting informed about the rest of the
> world, which is perhaps
> both a blessing and a curse.
>
> Sure, many say that the US today takes a much too
> huge space in the
> world, (just like a few of the people on this list),
> that it behaves
> imperialistically, that it's previous and present
> "help" to other
> nations was, (and is) conducted as a strategy for
> "self-agrandisation"
> or self-help, that it inundates the rest of the
> world with "crap"
> action movies, sex-fixation and values of a
> life-style that is
> detrimental to the planet, as doubtlessly is their
> over consumption of
> fossil fuels and other raw-materials. That it is a
> navel-gazing
> society, where 50% or more of the population don't
> even know where
> Finland is, and if they knew, wouldn't even care.
> That their
> arms-industry is bringing the planet to the brink of
> extinction, that
> their fundamentalist interpretation of christianity
> is just as bad as
> that of other religions, and the dollar is God. But
> IMV you are
> definitely adressing the wrong forum. The only thing
> you will achieve,
> (but perhaps that is your intention), is to raise
> the temperature a
> few degrees, bring out the usual hot-headed
> combattants, and sit back,
> while you see this thread degenerate into a
> muck-throwing contest that
> leads to nowhere.
>
> Perhaps that is also a form of catharsis, but I
> doubt it. It has been
> proved again and again, that the majority of
> lutenetters on this list
> are intensely tired with this sort of thing.
>
> For all I know, you have turned into an agent who
> tries to flush out
> those on the lutenet with anti-american sentiments,
> those "for us, or
> against us" to use a recent saying. At least this
> becomes the result
> of your behaviour, in which case I'm in deep s**t
> here! ;)
>
> No society is a homogenous society. Nowadays there
> seems to be a
> tendency to be either for or against, with the
> population divided
> roughly in the middle, as most polls show. A "third
> informed view" is
> usually either disregarded or ignored. See it as a
> sign of our times.
>
> A great majority of the americans on this list, seem
> to be friendly,
> peaceful, well-informed folks, sharing a love for
> the lute, (I hope)
> just like you and me. Some will be for Bush and
> american policy, some
> will be against. But (probably) most of them are
> still supporters of
> "the american way" and all what that stands for, and
> to change their
> views, you'd perhaps do better donning some
> messiah's garb or other
> and go out and preach them the right gospel (what in
> fact you are
> actually doing in a sort of fruitless modern
> internet way). Or join
> the militant fringes that are also fruitlessly
> trying to combat the
> (al)mighty USA through terrorist "mosquito-bites",
> that always only
> strike the innocent third-parties.
>
> Useless Arto, it won't work. People make up their
> own decisions and
> views, either letting themselves be brain-washed by
> media or through
> massive self-education, and what you or I have to
> say in this matter
> is really not relevant in the least, when it comes
> to politics or
> religion. Let's face it. The "mighty, arrogant
> capitalist US policy"
> is taking over the world today, whether we like it
> or not. Normal,
> simple, decent, peace loving people throughout the
> world are taking
> "the american way" to their hearts, even at the cost
> of loosing their
> own national identity, and there isn't a jot either
> you or I can do
> about it other than starting some doomsday-sect,
> joining Greenpeace or
> Amnesty or hiding in the Amazon jungle.
>
> So Arto, (and a few others on this list, no names
> mentioned, no one
> forgotten), stick to what you are best at.
> Contributing with
> insightful views and comments about the great lute
> matters we are all
> so fond of, and try to unite the people on the
> lutenet instead of
> antagonizing them.
>
> This is precisely why I have always abstained from
> trying to propagate
> religious or political views on this list. We've
> seen where it leads
> to. It can't be said enough times. There are heaps
> and heaps of lists,
> where people can discuss political or religious
> matters to their
> hearts content. There are very few lists, where
> lovers of the lute are
> able to do the same. Do you want to pollute it?
>
> So, hoping not to have come across as someone who
> equates destructive
> american policy-making with the (mostly) kind
> americans on this list,
> I have a lute-related question:
>
> Listening to Paul Beier's recording of the
> Michelagnolo Galilei 1620
> publication, the second track, "Sonata in C-major"
> consists of a
> toccata and two voltae. The first volta has a very
> beautiful division
> not found in the facsimile. Did Beier make the
> division himself? Is it
> found in the Werl addenda published in the
> supplement of Lute News
>
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