Arto, I didn't read your comment as one having to do with the "non-skid", which is clearly lute related. I read it as a comment on the general manners of the list. I started on lists before the web (developed by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989) and the general public use of the internet. I was a co-manager of a technical advice list on Delphi. We had a few with bad manners, but they didn't last long. We didn't ban them, we isolated them. But in those days the list, and the internet, were a small community. My old "site" (it became a web site) is now a haven for flamers on the "idiocy" of those who disagree as to what is the latest and best video card, or audio card, or whatever card. For all I know I may still be listed as co-manager, I still was only a few years ago when I hadn't visited for years.
We each offend the rules at times. You have done it with political commentary - but passed in passing rather than meant as pontifical. I have done it by sometimes speaking too soon before I know enough - but with the urge to contribute. RT has done it by denigrating views other than his own, although I'm sure that is his style rather than his substance - no one who can research and offer such enjoyable music as the Sarmanticas can be all bad <g>. So it comes down to this, manners are a matter of style (in a sense). Most of you are from Europe and aren't exposed to the daily "in your face" commercials on US TV - where the values of the hoodlum are used to promote sneakers (plimsols for the English, basketball shoes as a generic). Confrontation is counter productive, it merely provokes more confrontation. It isn't the matter of the specific relevance to lutes, a few side issues are fun now and then, it is the presentation. Arto, you may be getting old - but imagine how I feel! I met my first computer in 1961 after graduating from college and spending three years as a Naval officer. In those days one still used the title Mr. to anyone you didn't know well. And I've watched the evolution of the internet since its inception (in 1969). But I will say that there is little "screaming" on this list (that defined as SAYING IT ALL IN CAPS). Very bad manners in the early times, but often used by the "kiddies". This list is pretty balanced and well run. I get to run through the postings quickly with my "delete" key, but most of those I delete aren't irrelevant - they are just too advanced (and on topic) for my beginner status. I'm not yet into discussing the relative merits of Weiss and Dowland, not until I can play them. But those discussions belong here, and it is easy for me to bypass them until I'm ready for them. But so do those about the technical aspects of the instrument, and the strings - and the players with no interest can bypass them as easily as I can bypass the deeper matters of composers and styles (until I reach that level). Best, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: Re: The List! > > Dear Marion and others, > > sorry, I did not mean to insult you, and not even RT! > I understand the paper bag's linking to lutensts problems. > And I understand also how the (in)famous "S" actually has > something to do with lutes. > > "In the good old days" "all was better"... ;-) > > So perhaps my main message was only the last sentence: > > Perhaps I am getting old? ;-) > > All the best > > Arto > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
