Hi Leoanard & Steven,

I had been playing this piece (Board f1) only the week before the query
about the ornamentation came up.  I then accidentally deleted Steven's
message and thought it best to wait for someone's response.

I was playing the '+' as a double 'hammer', as they seem to occur mostly
on longer notes.

The '.' before a note as Leonard says, occurs on stopped strings, -
except in measure 22 where there is one before 'a3' (over a4).  Maybe
this is just a common typo that we just have to overlook sometimes?
Perhaps it is in the original?  Or, just a fleck that got copied over
the years!

BTW  I re-typed this piece in Fronimo, but could not find a dot to go
before a note.  I could place a dot under (first finger RH), or dot
after, (which may mean something entirely different).  The only
alternative was to print it out and write these dots in by hand.

Best Wishes

Ron (UK)

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 May 2005 22:29
To: Lute List
Subject: Re: Ornamentation of Delacourt Pavin

Steven--
        I haven't seen any responses posted to your query, so I'll give
it a
try.  I'm using Stanley Beutens' "Meaning and Performance of Ornament
Signs
in English Lute Tablatures".
         If the dot before a note affects a fretted note, it is surely a
"fall", which is called a "hammer on" in modern guitar parlance.  Pluck
the
note below and slam your left finger down on the fret indicated in the
tab;
it's a quick grace note from below.  This can't be called for on an open
string.  (Folger Dowland ms uses the dot, but Board uses an X.)
        While Beutens' examples don't include the "+", this other
ormnament
is probably going to be a relish, (# in Folger, dot in Board).  This is
a
"pull off":  finger both the indicated note and the one above it; pluck
the
note above and quickly pull the upper finger off the string, plucking it
lightly.  This is a quick grace note from above, and can occur on an
open
string.
        These graces are played on the beat, not out of the preceding
note
value.
        These are two very common ornaments, so I'm guessing that's
what's
in your Pavin.  Try them and see how they sound.

Regards,
Leonard Williams

On 5/22/05 8:43 AM, "Steven W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am currently working on the above piece and would like some insight
> into ornamentation.  There seem to be two ornament marks in the piece:
> a '+' and a '.' just before the tab letter.  Could someone comment on
> the differences between the two?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
> 
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