> Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
> >> "Originality" has not always been held in such high
> >> regard, particularly during the time that the lute was
> >> so very much a part of mainstream western music,
> >> The cult of originality is really an invention
> >> of the Romantics, taking Beethoven as their model.
> >> Music became a means for individualized personal expression,
> >> using a distinctively personal musical style..
> > Arthur, we finally have somethinf to disagree on. Originality as an
ideal
> > certainly predated Romanticism by at least 100 years (and a lot more
than
> > that in arts other than music), and was unequivocally practiced by JSB's
> > children and students. Romanticism simply abolished other modi operandi.
> > RT
>
> I'm not sure it's much of a disagreement.  You seem to be saying more or
Тhe question is whose INVENTION it is. Arthur oversimplified the picture,
and I, as an aficionadfo of empfindsamkeit, disagreed, as E. takes greated
credit for elevation of originality to a position of Ideal. So O. certainly
doesn't belong to the Romantics, who occasionally weren't sniffy about
musical transvestism either, BTW.


> less the same thing: the concept of originality was always known and
> understood, but didn't become all-important in serious music until after
> Beethoven.  A century before then, to take the most obvious example,
Handel
> didn't think twice about appropriating or rewriting music by Keiser, Urio,
> Stradella, Telemann or himself.  This was neither unusual nor a sign of
> moral turpitude on Handel's part, as we might think it today.
Or may not. I've rewritten a goodly amount of other people's music, after
the same fashion.
RT




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