Dear Alain,
It's definitely Berlioz, altho Segovia may have said something similar. The
operative words for Berlioz are "miniature orchestra." In the article he
describes the sound qualities of the Parisian guitar of his day. It is cited in
Barzun's biography. I think only one library in the U.S. has that arts journal
from 1855.
I've never seen the actual article. But a Berlioz scholar at Smith or Vassar
told me about it. And the master's thesis at the U of Maryland. He said it
was a good piece of work, and I tried unsuccessfully to get it on ILL. You
might try, if it is of particular interest. It's listed in NG (Berlioz bibl.)
"Berlioz and the Slur" Heavens! Nope, not that one.<g> Here it is:
P. J. Dallman: "Influences and Use of the Guitar in the Music of
Berlioz"
(thesis, U. of Maryland, 1972). Cited NG 2 (1980 ed.): 610.
arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Alain Veylit
To: Arthur Ness
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Mozart for guitar
Actually I thought it was Segovia, who said that each string of the
guitar was like a separate little instrument
Alain
Arthur Ness wrote:
>The quotation that the guitar is like a miniature orchestra is NOT from
Mozart. The quotation is NOT from Beethoven. The quotation is in an essay
about the guitar that BERLIOZ wrote for an obscure Parisian journal of the
arts, _Debats_ (8 June 1855).
>
>While we're on the subject, there is no evidence that Chopin declared that
the only sound lovelier than one guitar is two. That seems to be a paraphrase
of something Mozart also did NOT say, "The only thing worse than one flute, is
two."
>
>Beethoven is sometimes said to have attended a guitar recital by Giuliani.
If he did, of course, he heard nothing! He even wrote a little note to one of
his Viennese publishers, asking "please give my regards to Giuliani." Of
course, the publisher's Giuliani might be the guy who polished up the brass on
the big front door. The guitarist Giuliani played 'cello in the first
performance of the Seventh Symphony, but I imagine Beethoven didn't hear him
that time, either. He wasn't asked back to play in the Eighth. The point?
There's no factual basis for the belief common in the guitar world that
Giuliani influenced Beethoven. They may never even have spoken to one another.
>
>Oh yes, I also doubt that Schubert had a guitar hanging on the wall above
his bed.
>
>This should end Guitar Mythology 101 for tonite.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Murphy
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> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:40 PM
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>
> Also OT,
>
> In my aging memory there is a quote from Mozart (probably apochryphal).
"The
> guitar is an orchestra unto itself". I have no idea where I saw it, or
heard
> it, but it was many years ago so I have lost the context. If the quote is
> accurate then it might imply that Mozart might have had guitar sounds in
> mind when writing for piano.
>
> Best, Jon
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