LEONARD SCHULZ
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From: Martyn Hodgson
To: Arthur Ness ; Lute Net
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: OT: Mozart for guitar
SCHULZ
Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Erich and Howard,
You are correct. All of the Sor studies,except Op.6, were published after
Beethoven's death. As Howard notes, it was probably the other way around if
there is any study influenced by the Moonlight.
What composer could possibly escape the influence of Beethoven. I even know
an Irish fantasia by Leonardo what'is name? that has a harmonic progression
very similar to the introduction to Beethoven's Second Symphony. Alas it's in
that Danish collection of guitar music, and many accidentals are left out. Also
in D minor/major. The guitarist/copyist probably used staff notation as a kind
of "aide memoire" for what was essentially playing by ear. Even though many
wrong notes were written on the page, his fingers probably went to the correct
frets.
I found the piece. It's "Recollections of Ireland" by Leonardo Schultz
(Op.41). It's RiBs ms244c in that immense collection of guitar music at the
Royal Library in Copenhagen. You can download it here:
http://www.icoldwell.com/robert/music/library/denmark.html
The last hjalf ofthe Introduction is one of those "misterioso" harmonic
progressions, emphasizing the tonic minor (here d minor). That is, when the
"theme" appears in measure 13 it is colored by the sudden appearance of the
major mode (here D Major). It's a Tierce de Picardy effect. In these
progressions the F sharp is withheld until it resolves when the "theme" is
sounded. This procedure is found frequently in Beethoven, but earlier in Mozart
as well. In the Introduction under discussion you need these corrections:
B flats in m. 7, 8 and 11
F naturals in m. 10 and 11.
The fingerings are wrong, a misreading by the amateur,who attempted to
correct himself, but got the wrong notes when he made the correction. Surely
Schultz had Beethoven inthe ears when he wrote that passage.
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Posner
Cc: Lute Net
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 3:46 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT: Mozart for guitar
Eric Crouch wrote:
> 2) Someone repeated the belief commonly held among guitarists that
> Beethoven wrote "Moonlight Sonata" after hearing Fernando Sor's study
> in B minor for guitar. (I think it's from Sor's opus 31, but I'm not
> sure because my copy hasn't got the opus no. on it.) I'd be
> interested if anyone (perhaps Arthur) knows whether there is any
> basis for this belief.
Could the basis be that to some listeners, one bunch of arpeggios
sounds pretty much like another?
Do guitarists really believe this? Unless I am badly misinformed, it's
obviously impossible.
The Moonlight Sonata was written in 1801 (when Beethoven was 30 and Sor
about 23) and published in 1802. Sor had not left Spain by then and
none of his music was published before 1804. So it would be impossible
for Beethoven to have written the sonata after hearing the Sor study.
It is, of course, possible that Beethoven influenced Sor.
Howard Posner
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