I can't remember who attributed that motet intabulation to a Dutch lutenist. That's not Zuth, who should not be condemned for a mistake made by a cataloguer. But titles are often very hard to read in old manuscripts. One published mis-reading comes to mind, "Ode to Mr. Lovejolly" for the correct title "Ode to Melancholy."
ajn ----- Original Message ----- From: Alain Veylit To: Arthur Ness Cc: Lute Net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa This is hillarious - I work in the field of "library science", and the fact that I know personally quite a few special collections catalogers who - to stay polite - are quite full of themselves, makes the anecdote extremely juicy. Incidentally, "library science" is the only "science" in the U.S. that can provide you with faculty status just with a Master's Degree. And that went straight to some of those poor people's heads... In any case, talk about misreading documental evidence: this story should be engraved on every future librarian's forehead just so they remember who they are. Together with the appropriate subject heading: "Husbandry, Shepherding, Homosexuality, Early works to 1800" LOL, Alain Arthur Ness wrote: >I think it would be a mistake to cite what are additions and corrections to Zuth's work as a demonstration that his work is poor. (Some of that is really obscure information.) For his time, his Handbuch is quite thorough. And Matanya knows about the Bergier, Ungay, entry because I told him about it. > >It stems from a mistake in the ca. 1890 card catalogue at what is now the Berlin Staatsbibliothek (the one on Unter den Linden). The composer reference is on the large catalogue card for Mus Ms 40032, that immense Neapolitan lute book (viola de mano book!) now in Cracow. It is the title of a chanson by Crecquillon, not a person. But it appears several times in difcerent versions in that manuscript, so the cataloguer thought it was a composer's name. S/He didn't know it was the same piece done up with different divisions. > >Ready reference materials were not known in those days. That's why it is such a shame that Ophee published the Codice Lauten-Buch without taking a day or two to track down the composers and correct titles. His edition ignores a century of musical scholarship. It's just another Chilesotti Rip-Off. No better than the zillions before his. > >There's another place in that same manuscript with the mistaken name. Several pieces in that manuscript have Van Gheligo in the margin. One's a motet movement by Josquin. Is Van Gheligo some Dutch lutenist who made the intabulation? No it's Italian for Gospel, "Vangelo." It is one of the very few iindications that lute might be used during the Mass. Here when the celebrant walked to the lectern to read the Gospel of the day, the lutenist would play that Josquin motet intabulation. > >ajn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matanya Ophee > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:13 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa > > > Arthur Ness > Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:56:03 -0700 > > >I didn't realize that in addition to being a music hall tenor he was > >a comedian > >as well. He must have been tremendously popular. It is Zuth in his Handbuch > >that says that Shand was an American. I wonder where he got that notion. > > Same place he got the spelling of Shand's teacher as Sidney-Pratten, > and the name and that famous lutenist Bergier, Ungay. A most reliable > reference book, uh? > > Actually if you want to know what Zuth's contemporaries thought of > his work you can look it up here: > > http://www.orphee.com/fryk.htm > > The text in red, BTW, are the annotations made to Fryklund's text by > Kenneth Sparr. > > > Matanya Ophee > Editions Orphe'e, Inc., > 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. > Columbus, OH 43235-1226 > Phone: 614-846-9517 > Fax: 614-846-9794 > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.orphee.com > http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/ > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- > > > --
