Dear Arthur,
I don't think I'm necessarily the "source" for associating
the Vivaldi works with the mandora, but I did write an article
for the LSA Quarterly exploring the possibility, and I found
nothing to disqualify the mandora in particular. I've sent you
a private note summarizing the article as its been discussed
here before. As I've pointed out before, the mandora/gallichone
in D is just functionally an archlute in G without its top course...
so many aspects are similar.
In spite of my personal attraction to mandolinos and other
smaller lutes, I for one do not endorse the idea of playing
Vivaldi's early leuto parts (RV82, RV85, and RV93) at written
pitch. The scores make much more musical sense (IMHO)
with the leuto part sounding an octave lower... what ever the
choice of instrument. Vivaldi's notes for RV540 are clear that
he's talking about an instrument in the lower registers. Though
he notates the solo parts in the treble clef, he instructs the soloist
to play along with the basso otherwise.
Best,
Eric
ps - Sorry I missed you all at LSA/Cleveland. A sad summer for
me... with too much work to do and not nearly enough luting...
On Jul 11, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Arthur Ness wrote:
> Dear Martyn,
>
> I looked through it paying attention to the slurs. And
> will stay with the archlute designation since the open
> strings seem to be like d-minor tuning.. But I am
> wondering about the Vivaldi concertos written for
> Prague. Does any one have information about the source
> for the suggestion that_*these*_ concertos were for
> mandora, although deignated for lute? This evening I'm
> going totake another look at the Vivaldi works. Or is
> that the
> older thinking of some little lute instrument that has
> now given way to designation for the usual instrument
> sounding an octave lower.
>
> I'm going to spend some time with the two concertinos
> from the Harrach collection.
> --ajn.
> ===========================================> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:43 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: G.A. Brescianello 1690-1757 download
>
>
>>
>> Why do you think this 'Sinfonia' was written for
>> Gallichon/Mandora? As mentioned earlier, like Bob, I
>> see no reason to doubt the title which clearly states
>> 'arciliuto'. It also does not fit particularly well
>> in the D Gallichon tuning (and much worse of course in
>> the E tuning) - but fits very well on an arciliuto in
>> G.
>>
>> MH
>>
>> Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> "Arthur Ness" wrote in message news:...
>>> In regard to our Brecianello discussion, I have
>>> posted
>>> the remaining two movements for the Sinfonia.
>>>
>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/
>>>
>>> ==================================> I have posted two
>>> movements from the anonymous sinfonia.
>>> It seems to be a six course instrument with three
>>> diapasons, tuned to
>>> low C (2 ledger lines, used very rarely), D and E;
>>> the continuo instruments seems not to have the low
>>> C.)).
>>>
>>> Since the lute part is mainly one line with the bass
>>> notes
>>> played by the continuo, it could be played by violin
>>> or
>>> flute with lute playing the continuo part.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? The suggestion from Mark and Stephan
>>> about
>>> the awkward bass lines in the Brescianello sonatas
>>> brought this piece to mind. The [mandora? lute?]
>>> doubles the
>>> bass line, but only in a desultory manner.
>>>
>>> Oh, where are they? Also a link to William Lawes,
>>> too.
>>> Fantasia from The Harp Consort No. 12.
>>>
>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores
>>>
>>> That should do it. --AJN.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arthur Ness"
>>> To: "Lute Net"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:35 AM
>>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: G.A. Brescianello 1690-1757
>>> download
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Arthur Ness" wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> <>
>>>>
>>>>> That's an interesting observation that the
>>>>> Brescianello pieces are for
>>>>> 8-course gallichon. Also the pieces are simply
>>>>> titled "Gallichone solo"
>>>>> and
>>>>> that designation does not necessary exclude a bass
>>>>> instrument like a gamba
>>>>> or 'cello. What kind of mandora do you have? (If
>>>>> you
>>>>> have one.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur.
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -------
>>>> I was thinking about those "three anonymous"
>>>> concertos
>>>> that were mentioned
>>>> here recently. Actually, there are two chamber
>>>> concertinos and a piece
>>>> titled "Sinfonia a\ Solo di Arciliuto." These are
>>>> works that Robert Spencer
>>>> purchased at the 1956 sale of manuscripts from the
>>>> Graf Harrach Collection
>>>> in Vienna and Rohrau (Haydn's mother worked in the
>>>> Count's kitchen!!).
>>>> They
>>>> probably were copied in Bohemia. Incidentally one of
>>>> the
>>>> continuo parts in one of the concertinos is for
>>>> "Organo,"and that is a
>>>> possibility that should be seriously considered
>>>> when,
>>>> say a Vivaldi
>>>> concerto, is performed on lute(s) or guitar(s). Why
>>>> have a plucked
>>>> instrument competing with a plucked instrument
>>>> (harpsichord).
>>>>
>>>> Getting back to the ":Solo." the lute part is
>>>> notated
>>>> in the treble clef,
>>>> sounding an octave lower than written, and includes
>>>> all of the necessary
>>>> bass notes. But along with the lute part, is a
>>>> continuo part in the bass
>>>> clef with figures for a second instrument (2nd
>>>> lute?,
>>>> harpsichord? organ?),
>>>> which might be doubled by a thrid instrument, a
>>>> 'cello
>>>> or gamba. So
>>>> Stephen's suggestion reminded me that another
>>>> possibility may be that there
>>>> may be a lost continuo part for the Brescianello
>>>> pieces.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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