Dear Arthur, Many thanks for this posting - it's really useful information that I will keep and refer to in future.
Concerning the pieces you think are by Giovan Maria, is that an intuitive guess, or is there evidence that suggests his authorship? I would be most interested to know. Best wishes, Denys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>; "David van Ooijen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Phalèse's bookshelf David van Ooijen asked: > Has there ever been an inventarisation of what Phalèse > (or other 16th > century compilers, for that matter) migh have had on > his bookshelves? Now, David, you're not pulling my leg are you? Take a look in Pohlmann under Ward, John M., "Les réeditions en tablature francaise de pièces originalement écrites en tablature italienne, allemande ou espagnola notamente chez Phalèse" (Kongressbericht . . . 1959). Now take your sharpest pencil and stab the entry and scratch it out, yelling "Die! Die!! You Ghost, Begone!!!" Rub some garlic on i! (Doesn't garlic drive ghosts away?) I don't know how many hours (days?) I spent trying to find that article (I was in Germany and couldn't easily telephone JMW--which would have made me look silly, to admit an inability to find an article from a major Congress.) One of the greatest frustrations of my young life! And those Kongressberichte (Congress Report) are devilish things, because what does "1959" mean? The date of the Congress? Or the date the Congress Report was published? Or the date the Congress program was announced? Well it's a bibliographical "ghost." Ward was scheduled to read such a paper at some International Musicoloigcal Congress, but he didn't show up. And never wrote the article. But it was announced, and found its way into some bibliographies, including Pohlmann. (It is very unwise to "lift" footnotes without having actually seen the article referenced. And that's what happened. Pohlmann isn't the only place the ghost appears. But then there's that Rust ghost, which wasn't.<g>) But I made the list you are thinking about for my "Sources of Lute Music" article in New Grove (but it was cut due to space limitations). These are the short titles to save me some typing (all except one in Brown). PHALESE: Des Chansons/Carminum bks 1-2, 4 (1545-1549) Dalza (1508)--1 piece Giovan Maria Alemani (lost: 1508)--4 or 5 pieces (esp. otherwise unattr. pieces titled "Preludium") Attaingnant (1529)--10 Attaingnant (1530)--1 Gerle (1533)--4 Narvaez (1538)--13 H. Newsidler, book 2 (1544)--3 Rotta, bk 2 (1546)--5 Francesco/Borrono, bk 2 (1546)--23 da Crema, bk 3 (1546)--17 D. Bianchini (1546)--3 Francesco/Pierino (1547--or Dorico 1546?)--3 PHALESE: prints of 1552, 1563, 1568, 1571 Francesco (Marcolini 1536)--9 pieces Casteliono (1536)--13 Rotta, bk 1 (1546)--9 Francesco/Borrono, bk 2 (1546)--4 da Crema, bk 3 (1546)--6 Vindella (1547)--4 Gintzler (1547)--27 Teghi (1547)--28 Valderrabáno (1547)--14 le Roy, bk 1 (1551)--21 Morlaye, bks 1-2 (1551-2)--10 Kargel (Brown deest) (ca. 1565)*--(see below) Bakfark (1564)--3 M. Newsidler, bks 1-2 (1566)--39 Barbetta, bk 1 (1569)--12 Bakfark (1569)--3 *There must have been a Kargel print earlier than the first ones mentioned in Brown. See Phalese 1568, nos. 16, 41b, 46b, 54-59, 62, 66-7, 71-2, 76-81. And Phalèse 1571, esp. nos. 16, 17, 21, 68, 76b, 92 96, 102-3, 108 (cf. Kargel 1586). Phalèse is surely one of the most prolific musical pirates of all times. But he made a lot of nice music available to the lutenists of his day. And ours, too. I think it was mainly through Phalèse that much Continental lute music reached Britain. And his emphasis on a few composers would probably reflectour own feelings about the relative worth of the works concerned. M. Newsidler is ignored, too much,these days. But maybe something will happen. --ajn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David van Ooijen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: [LUTE] Phalèse's bookshelf > Has their ever been an inventarisation of what Phalèse > (or other 16th > century compilers, for that matter) migh have had on > his bookshelves? With > Brown in hand we can make a fairly good estimate, but > it would need more > investigating. Anybody ever come across a study into > this? > > David > > > > **************************** > David van Ooijen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.davidvanooijen.nl > **************************** > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006
