moin sean, moin stewart, i have large hands but a 7-course lute. for me it is not possible to use the left thumb for this cord, the neck is too wide. but i feel comforable with stewarts solution using 1c -> 1b. greetings w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [LUTE] Thumb on diapason?
> Dear Sean, > > This is the passage from Francesco da Milano's Ricercar 27: > > |\ |\ > |\ | > | | > ____________c_______d_______ > _a_____b__|_______|____a__|_ > ____a_____|_d_____|_b_____|_ > _______c__|_c__b__|_c_____|_ > _______a__|_______|_______|_ > _d________|_c_____|_a_____|_ > > There is only one way to finger it, assuming you want to sustain the > part-writing. It doesn't involve the left-hand thumb: > > |\ |\ > |\ | > | | > ______________3c________4d_______ > __a_____1b__|_________|_____a__|_ > _____a______|_4d______|_1b_____|_ > ________2c__|_1c__1b__|_2c_____|_ > _________a__|_________|________|_ > _3d_________|_2c______|__a_____|_ > > The chord at the beginning of the second bar is not difficult to > play, as long as you get the little finger down on the 3rd course in > advance, while playing the preceding chord. > > -o-O-o- > > It has been suggested, that the left-hand thumb could come in handy > for this chord of F major: > > _c_ > _d_ > _d_ > ___ > ___ > ___ > d > > Unfortunately I cannot speak from experience, because I have an > 8-course lute with low F available as an open string. However, > someone with a 7-course lute might find it a useful way of playing > that chord, especially if the neck of their lute is not wide at the > nut end. > > Best wishes, > > Stewart McCoy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Lutelist" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:21 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: thumb on diapason? > >> Hello all, >> >> I don't want to get caught up in the thumb<-->no thumb debate on > the >> 6th course but there is another way out of the fingering dilemna > of >> Arthur's example from Francesco's Ricercar 27 (it also appears in > a >> Paladin' Milenesa Pavana m. 12-13 and probably elsewhere). >> >> First I finger (with the 1st finger already on the F#): >> >> 2(3)---- >> -------- >> 3(4)---- >> 2(2)-1(1) >> -------- >> 2(2)---- >> >> The 2nd finger is a kind of hinge bar that when lifted off the 4th >> course, the F# is then exposed. I'll confess I haven't tried the >> wrap-around-thumb but it's not a position I feel comfortable in. >> >> Sean > >> On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: >> >> > I have put some more examples here, including two >> > supposed Francesco portraits, and a musical example. >> > And some other pictures. >> > >> > http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/thumb.html >> > >> > ==ajn. > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
