Hello Martin,

There's the address for one.

According to Sacconi, Stradivarius used ebony dust mastic for his inlays, 
and veneered his necks in ebony - but then he is a bit later.

All the artists I know tell me that black doesn't exist - the only "old" 
blacks I've heard of are burnt things, like ivory (!) and bone, or the bits 
in the smoke, i.e. soot/lampblack.  I can't imagine a solvent that would 
make such large particles penetrate.

Still thinking and got to go to work,

Tony

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] black stain


> Dear All,
>
> Apologies - probably this should go just to the lutebuilder list (if it
> still exists) but I can't remember the address.
>
> I'm trying to reduce my use of ebony, partly for reasons of authenticity
> and partly because I simply don't like getting covered in black dust!
> So the question is, what kind of stains could the Old Ones have used and
> what could I use now?  The items and requirements in question are:
>
> 1. Pegs - probably made from plum or holly - need to have good depth of
> stain to allow small adjustments when fitting.
>
> 2. Bridges - probably made from pear or plum - no need for great
> penetration.  (I would never dream of making a bridge out of ebony, of
> course - at the moment I use pear, stained with indian ink or acrylic
> black, the latter being obviously the most authentic alternative!)
>
> 3. Fillets between ribs - probably made from sycamore - good penetration
> needed and absence of bleeding essential!  The nice thing about ebony is
> it doesn't bleed and it's the same colour all the way through, but I
> think the Old Ones used it rarely, if at all.
>
> 4. Neck - I rather like the idea of a thin dark stain, not uniformly
> black, on a beech neck.  I wondered if any dark stain could be added to
> a drying oil like linseed oil so that one ended up with a more or less
> matt finish which did not lose its colour when scratched by fret knots,
> etc.  I'm mindful of the fact that the little treble lute in Vienna
> (C39) has a beech neck (though the dark colour may just be due to age)
> and also of the Mary Burwell lute tutor whose author is very much
> against veneering the neck with ebony because it's "cold" and the frets
> slip too easily - also he/she seems very keen on keeping the weight to a
> minimum.  Avoiding ebony (except for the fingerboard) could result in a
> considerable weight saving/change in balance for an 11c lute.
>
> Your thoughts, please!
>
> Martin
>
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