-ello in Italian usually means something cute - ino ( diminutive) means 
something small

Birbante means something as rascal ( but it is usually used for children 
when they steal jam - do they still do that?) -birbantello is used for a 
child to joke with the fact that he actually stole jam but did it in such a 
nice and clever way... so we are not really angry about that

Donatella

http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lutelist" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello"


>> From: "Alice Renken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  The root word here is "viola". The diminutive
>> ending is "ino", giving "violino", "little viola".
>
> Meaning small viol, of course.
>
>> "ello" is an aggrandizing ending, so "violoncello" is "big viola".
>
> This is a bit backward. "Ello" is a diminutive, and a "violoncello"  is
> a "small violone."
> See, e.g.
>
> http://sscm-jscm.press.uiuc.edu/jscm/v12/no1/wissick.html     at 2.1
>
> http://sscm-jscm.press.uiuc.edu/jscm/v6/no2/bonta.html      at 3.7
>
> http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/VAN_VIR/
> VIOLONCELLO_Fr_violoncelle_Ger_.html
>
>
> BTW, a few years ago (must have been before 2000), a bass player with
> no early music connections proudly showed me a five-string bass he'd
> just acquired.  I forget whether it was a new instrument, and indeed
> have blanked on every detail that might be of interest here.
>
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