Dear Martin,

Best wishes to you... we have not corresponded for a while.

I wholeheartedly agree on your statement about different string types 
requiring a different technique or playing style.  I have not played wound 
strings in many years, but when I do play someone else's lute with wound 
strings, I am struck immediately on how one has to "hold back" and play in 
a much more quiet, gentle fashion, on the basses.  The opposite is true of 
gut basses, where one needs to play a bit more forcefully (but not 
forceful), and perhaps closer to the bridge, to get the right sound.  It 
took me a long time to learn to get a beautiful, clear sound from gut 
basses..... I had to practice open bass courses for months, before I felt I 
had the clarity  & beauty of sound, for which I was striving.

Once Hoppy sat down & played my gut strung baroque lute, and I was amazed 
at how one of the finest players of our time had a sound that was very, 
very introverted - not similar to the sound he gets on wound basses.  One 
needs to learn how to play gut, to make it effective.

In terms of a gut string's beautiful sound depending on how the note 
starts, I totally agree.  With gut, the note has a fast, immediate sound, 
without the "twang" of metal.

Once again, what is important is the beauty of the sound made.  Although I 
prefer gut, I would rather hear a lute played wonderfully on synthetic 
strings, than a lute played poorly in gut.

ed



At 09:55 PM 8/25/2007 +0100, Martin Shepherd wrote:
>Dear Anthony and All,
>
>Well I was away, in the Vendee, where the weather was not much better
>than in the UK.  The local paper kept referring to it as "ce vilain
>d'ete" (sorry I can't do accents on the laptop) and I can only agree -
>we spent a week in Provence in May and it wasn't that good there either.
>
>I found the Purr'll strings sound fine.  I haven't tried a Kuerschner
>top string for a long time, but the thicker strings are very stiff and
>hard, so I would not be surprised if the very thin strings were the
>same.  I think all gut trebles have the advantage of longer sustain than
>other materials, so niceties of "warmth" etc. seem a bit secondary.
>
>The point that was raised about different techniques for playing on
>nylon/gut/nylgut I found interesting.  The tendency is for too light an
>attack on overspun strings (because if you hit them hard this emphasizes
>their "twanginess" and also gives a long sustain) and too strong an
>attack on gut strings (because you feel if you hit them harder they
>might sustain longer).  In fact you can pluck the gut strings harder,
>and this is good, but too hard has the effect of maximising the
>transient at the beginning of a note and (by contrast) deemphasizing the
>subsequent sound of the note, which is not good.  The main focus, with
>all kinds of strings, should be to achieve a full sound (absolutely full
>contact with both strings of a course and perfect blend of octaves on an
>octave course) rather than a loud sound.  Quality is everything - crude
>attempts to achieve quantity are no substitute.  One of the nice things
>about gut basses is their "vocal" quality, not a question of sustain but
>a function of how the note starts.  In fact, let's face it, playing a
>plucked instrument is all about how the note starts - a consideration
>which affects all aspects of playing polyphony on the lute - but that's
>another story....
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Martin
>
>
>Anthony Hind wrote:
>
> > Glad to see you are back, Martin (perhaps you weren't away).
> >
> > The Purr'll strings are strong, but how do they sound?
> >
> > Regards
> > Anthony
> >
> > Le 25 août 07 à 16:44, Martin Shepherd a écrit :
> >
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> My experiences with Sofracob gut are much the same as David's -  fine
> >> for
> >> everything except a top string.  I recently tried to order some  fret
> >> gut
> >> from them and they wrote back to say that they no longer supply  fret
> >> gut
> >> - dommage!  Anyone know of a good source of fret gut?
> >>
> >> By the way, I found the banjo strings quite strong and very cheap when
> >> you get two out of a length.  I wonder who manufactures them?
> >>
> >> The issue about single gut is interesting.  I always thought that the
> >> thinnest string had to be made out of two whole guts laid thick end to
> >> thin end, because of the taper.  Even then, the finished string might
> >> taper somewhat.  But the really interesting thing about this is  just
> >> how
> >> thin could the old guys have made their strings?  If two guts are
> >> needed, the answer is supposedly in the region of .43mm, and that
> >> places
> >> some interesting constraints on just how high a pitch you can tune to
> >> for a given string length - not because the string might break but
> >> because of the uncomfortably high tension involved.
> >>
> >> Can anyone (Mimmo? Dan?) shed more light on this?  And while we're at
> >> it, I thought the old guys had to use whole guts as the basis for  their
> >> strings, because the splitting horn wasn't invented until the 18th C.
> >> True or false?
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> LGS-Europe wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I'm also interested in the responses that Universale's strings are
> >>>> particularly strong - I wonder if they wholesale supply some
> >>>> better known
> >>>> companies who may not actually make their own gut from scratch (eg
> >>>> Kurschner)?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I always understood, but I do not know, mind you, that Sofracob
> >>> supplies
> >>> some (?) smaller string makers. Sofracob's main product is
> >>> wholesale gut for
> >>> the medical industrie (10.000.000 meters of catgut yearly, they
> >>> boast on
> >>> their website). Their musical strings are a later by-product and
> >>> they only
> >>> supply treble gut and double twist, no bass strings like Mimmo or
> >>> Dan make.
> >>> They have varnished and non-varnished and they have fret-gut. And
> >>> as I said
> >>> before, they are very cheap. No wonder, with such a high volume
> >>> output.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ****************************
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> >>> www.davidvanooijen.nl
> >>> ****************************
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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