On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:34 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, but what about all the descriptions and paintings
> of lutes being played _outside_ ... with ensembles?
> Where these guys essentially just playing "air lute"?

My point remains:  name one piece of solo lute music ever composed  
for a concert-hall.    Obviously I can't second-guess the intentions  
of any composers, but if they came from an age when there weren't any  
concert halls it's not difficult to imagine that their music was not  
intended to be heard in one.

Stating the obvious here, but nevertheless:  whether or not lute  
music actually works in a concert hall depends on the temperament of  
the player, the willingness of the audience to adapt to a quiet  
instrument and/or the accoustics in the hall.

As for playing outside, I don't know the answer to that.  Mauro  
Giuliani was said to have performed his concertos for guitar and  
strings outside on occasion.  How could anybody possibly have heard  
him?  I don't know.

> I have a hunch that they might have played with an
> aggressive approach and tone - much like an
> unamplified flamenco or folk guitarist - that we would
> simply find unacceptable today in a professional
> lutenist.

I don't think I've ever read any descriptions, or seen any paintings,  
of lutenists playing outside to concert audiences.  There are plenty  
of depictions of 16th, 17th and 18thC musicians playing outdoors for  
one another;  in fact, I bet we've all done that at one time or  
another.  My earliest experiences of lute playing were outdoor  
events:  "lute-hoots" organized by my teacher at that time, and  
consisting of many singers, luters etc.  We never had any problem  
hearing each other.  Of course, this was in a place (Topanga Canyon,  
CA) where there was very little ambient noise.

>   If so, an insteresting point to consider is
> how much of this "rock 'n' roll" lute technique may
> have carried over into solo works performed in the
> chamber.

In the 17th or 18th century?  I imagine there was a time for raucous  
madcap playing, and a time for extremely elegant playing.

David R
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