Michael As an amateur, I was in the position that I felt I could only justify purchasing one Renaissance lute. I was also hoping to venture later into 11c French Baroque music.
I therefore had to make a compromise, and chose the 7c Gerle, because this actual model is used by Jacob Heringman on his Siena record http://magnatune.com/artists/heringman http://tinyurl.com/2so2sh He uses it for track 7. a four-part Fantasia from the Medici Lute Book, and also for the few Dance pieces. I figured that because of its Bologna form, it would do for the Italian repertoire, and because of its 7c status, it would be alright for most Elizabethan music, too, even if perhaps, by that period multi ribbed Paduan lutes might have become more popular. Indeed, I notice this Dowland concert in which Jacob used the very same lute, at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2004/Ellen- JacobConcert.html http://tinyurl.com/324kog The actual lute I tried at Martin Haycock's belonged to Liz Kenny. The balance and sound seemed very good, and that two such excellent professional lutists had chosen this model seemed a further guarantee. You can see front and back of the lute, here: http://tinyurl.com/2ca4cp http://tinyurl.com/38ypxx However, it IS a compromise, if a very good sounding lute, especially in gut. I have controlled the slight tendency to bass heaviness on the Gerle, by adopting Aquila Venice twine on the diapason of the 6th and on the 5th through to the 4th. This has a very good high frequency response, and has helped open out the sound, that was already very sweet, but with excellent projection. I have a Gamut gimped on the 7th. I could also have adopted a 6c lute, as these were used throughout the same period, and are often considered the ideal Renaissance lute in their poise and balance, but I hoped that using gut basses would control the "the sympathetic ring" of a 7c when playing 6c Milan. Indeed, Stephen Gottlieb made an excellent 8c 64 cm Rauwolf mutiribbed lute, for a guitarist who had completed, or was completing, his "Masters program requirements". While this was strung in gut, the sympathetic ring of the 7 and 8c does not seem "too overpowering", as can be heard in his rendering of da Milano at http://www.myspace.com/lute On the other hand, I do have to admit that when Jacob played the Siena repertoire at Caen (a year ago), he brought his 6c Andy Rutherford lute. You can see the photos of this here, by going to http://tinyurl.com/2njg45 and clicking on the thumb nails. About string length, I also asked advice on this issue from Jacob Heringman, but I can only "quote" from memory. This was not set down in any formal way that can actually make it truly quotable. He said he preferred longer string lengths for a solo instrument, and that anything longer than 60 has more expressive capability, 64 or 67 or even 71 were all excellent string lengths according to the player's stretch. However, he also added that the hand has a wonderful ability to adapt, and that a longer string length doesn't make the music that much harder to play (it might even be easier as you move up to higher positions on the neck). The main problem would be the pitch issue, if you play with other people. I seem to remember several lute makers saying that guitar necks were much longer than the average lute neck, and that caused no problem for guitarists. Perhaps, there is a neck-width issue, also to contend with, on modern lutes. Original lutes may have had narrower necks. I imagine string spacing must also be taken into account in relation to stretch. There was a lute meeting in London, not so long ago, two or three years, where a number of long necked Renaissance lutes, Warwick Bass lutes and C36 Venere Tenor lutes, were demonstrated with 67 cm and over string length, and I believe it was argued that many more long necked solo instruments would have existed, and that the modern tendency for 60 cm and below, may not be historical. Of course, so many large lutes have been Baroqued, and it is sometimes difficult to conjecture their original string length. I have to admit that I did "chicken out" and go for a 60 cm lute. Regards Anthony Le 26 nov. 07 =E0 07:24, Michael Bocchicchio a ecrit : > > People who have purchased lutes from me in the past have all > come to me with the common wisdom that the 8c. is the standard. > Why would this be? Is it true now? Was it true in the past or > something like that? Furthermore, for who? A first time buyer? A > graduate school student studying guitar , who will only need one > lute to complete the Masters program requirements? A Renaissance > Fair performer? I wonder if this notion is a holdover from a time > when historical or true > lutes were hard to come by and players had to chose instruments > for their versatility rather than for their appropriateness for a > given period of music. > In fact, it seems to me that the greater body of Renaissance lute > music is for 6 and 7c instruments. Eight course music seems > limited to the very end of the 16th century, and mostly English. > French music seems to jump from 7c to 10c beginning with Francisque > c.1600. I'm not quite sure about how the dates went for Italy, > Netherlands, and Germany, but it would seem that 8c music is a > small body of music by comparison, no? If I have made too gross a > generalization or am just plain wrong, please correct me. > Even as an amateur player, I know that the instrument needs to fit > the music---why would you want the sympathetic ring of an 8c when > playing Milan? As a luthier, I fined that the popular 58-62cm > instruments do best as 6 and 7 courses as a large bridge can choke > a small sound board. I would think a 7c at 62-63cm is a good way > to go, but appear to be "going against the grain". > If an 8c is "the standard", can someone explain this to me? > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --