On Nov 29, 2007, at 2:16 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>    I also believe this road of super-specialization
> (i.e. _must_ use a 7-course for this piece, _only_ a
> 9-course for this..., etc.) is an _extremely_
> dangerous road to go down for the entire field.
                *    *   *
> How can you program a whole concert that
> features, for example, "Italian Music, 1538-42" or
> "German Music, 1712-20" and have it interest anyone
> but diehard specialists?

Really, really bad example.  Lots of ensembles do "German Music,  
1712-1720."  They title it "Complete Brandenburgs" and sell lots of  
tickets.

> This also starts to sound ominously like the
> philosophy laid out in Milton Babbitt's 1958 essay
> "Who Cares If You Listen?" (interestingly, the
> original title was "The Composer as Specialist")
> stating that it didn't matter if a regular audience of
> Joe Blows related to a composition at all: what
> mattered was that the piece remained faithful to a
> system of arbitrarily selected parameters that were
> academically accepted by a small group of
> self-appointed cognoscenti.

I think we should let Babbitt speak for himself.  I'll just copy a  
few sentences from "Who Cares if You Listen" without expressing any  
opinion about whether it's self-important crap with logical flaws  
that a retarded chimpanzee would avoid.

Why refuse to recognize the possibility that contemporary music has  
reached a stage long since attained by other forms of activity? The  
time has passed when the normally well-educated man without special  
preparation could understand the most advanced work in, for example,  
mathematics, philosophy, and physics. Advanced music, to the extent  
that it reflects the knowledge and originality of the informed  
composer, scarcely can be expected to appear more intelligible than  
these arts and sciences to the person whose musical education usually  
has been even less extensive than his background in other fields. But  
to this, a double standard is invoked, with the words music is  
music," implying also that "music is just music." Why not, then,  
equate the activities of the radio repairman with those of the  
theoretical physicist, on the basis of the dictum that "physics is  
physics."

The whole essay can be found at http://www.palestrant.com/ 
babbitt.html#layman.  I find Babbitt's prose mildly more palatable  
than his music.

> Well, were is Babbitt's
> music today?

Right where it always was.  I daresay it has as many rabid fans as it  
always did -- about 37.

> Too much artificially academic specialization has
> lead to the absolute downfall of contemporary music in
> its entirety as a legitimate cultural force.
> Contemporary classical music is still present at the
> university level were it is supported by grants and
> endowments as if it were some kind of research rather
> than art.

I think this is barking up the wrong tree.  All sorts of popular  
music is as specialized and limited in its way as Babbitt's, but it  
sells.  Lots of blues or country guitarists are more picky about  
their instruments than lute players are.




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