Jon,
I've made two Greek lyres. The second one was better than the first. You can get turtle shells here: http:// www.skullsunlimited.com/. I recommend a snapping turtle shell; they're big enough to give you a large tympanum. The first lyre had rough branches for the arms; I ended up laminating 1/8 inch cherry over a form to make the arms on the second one, and that looked better. On the crosspiece, I used strips of leather over the wood to provide friction to tighten the strings, and little pieces of wood under the leathers to give you something to grasp to tighten the strings. If you look at details of lyres on Greek vases, they have something like that.

And use goat hide for the tympanum; it's thinner and more supple than cow hide. Tandy Leather sells goat rawhide.

I've been away from listservs for a while.  When did you move to Hawaii?

Tim

On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:16 AM, Jon Murphy wrote:

What an enjoyable thread, I will read the rest of it tomorrow to avoid being up until midnight Hawaiian time zone. But I must insert a comment on historical construction. I think I'll make a Greek lyre tomorrow, in my spare time. The tetrachord (and the name of the instrument escapes me) was truely that - a tonic and a perfect fourth (or fifth, depending on whether you start at the top or the bottom), and a couple of undefined intervals in between (actually there are definitions, but they are regional and ethnic).

Mankind did evolve his skills, and depending on whether you are biblical or Darwinian it took either many millenia or a few. Music is one of them. Our western music is relatively unique in its evolution, our scales are basically modifications of the Greek, and our tuning temperaments are to a great extent caused by the desire for multi-voices in the Church. The oriental scales are quite different (and I use orient in the old sense that it include everything "east of Eden").

We can make a good guess that the virtuosos of olden days might have sounded a bit amateurish today, the materials and construction have improved - but that is not to knock them, simplicity has a beauty of its own. The lute is a development on the Arabic "oud", as brought into Europe by either travelers or Moorish invaders (and probably both). The oud, and the early lute, was played with a pick (ok, plectrum is the proper term) and therefore a melody instrument as the tuning isn't amenable to a broad strum - and certainly not in the Arabic scale.

So far as I'm concerned the music should advance, while also keeping the traditions of sound alive (as best we can judge them). I have a collection of medieval dance tunes I play on harp and psaltery, I know I'm not in their tuning as I tune to equal temperament. We should certainly explore the sounds of old, as best we can approximate them - but we should not worship at the temple of historic sound. When I first heard the Swingle Singers doing Bach's Brandenburgs in scat my reaction was that Bach would have loved it. He had a touch of the jazz musician in him in his use of variations around a fixed theme. As one whose primary instrument is voice I have tried to transcribe early notation of the monastic chants, but am also aware that the "Gregorian chants" were notated nearly a thousand years after the Pope's death.

It is all interpretation with a bit of "by guess and by golly". Notation was a late comer into the passing on of music (although there actually is some Greek notation from around 500 BC, but even that is as interpreted).

Best, Jon





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