Whilst not disagreeing with the general thrust: that hand position generally moved back towards the bridge by the early 17thC (which also may, or may not, tell us omething about string tensions), could I ask you if the pictures were selected to make the point or did you choose them randomly? I think we need to be careful of self-selection. For example, a couple of depictions in Kinsky's ground breaking 'History of music in pictures' 1929 shows the hand quite low down towards the bridge and certainly not over the rose:
'The Lute player' engraving Brosamer 1537 (Kinsky p. 81); and, even earlier, 'Madonna enthroned' painting Montagna 1499 (Kinsky p.111) MH --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Jean-Marie Poirier <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jean-Marie Poirier <[email protected]> Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism To: "lute" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 10:56 AM May I remind all of you interested in that thread on hand position, that I had put up a couple of web pages with iconographical evidence about that very same point. You will find it there : for the renaissance : http://le.luth.free.fr/renaissance/index.html for the 17th century : http://le.luth.free.fr/baroque/index.html for the 18th century : http://le.luth.free.fr/baroque2/index.html I will let you choose your conclusion ;-)) Best, Jean-Marie ======= 09-02-2009 11:45:05 ======= >If all the pictures show us that the RH was at >the bridge, then many of the pictures have gone missing. > >dt > >At 12:33 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: >>From: ""Mathias RD-sel"" <[email protected]> >>>>"All instruction from the period tell us and the pictures >>>>show us that the right hand was at the bridge. How >>>>seriously should we take this?" Barto >>> >>>Perhaps like with a traffic sign when driving a car? I mean, not >>>religiously, of course >B) >>>Mathias >>An unexpectedly Gallic opinion! >>RT >> >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- >Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. >Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [email protected] http://poirierjm.free.fr 09-02-2009 NaNOTaCURa'D-YENaaCURNaCURaa+-a D-aa 1/4D--obA^2D-+aYENabavaaNiD--aD-0D-DEGD--oj a(c)faD-ayNA(c)D-DEGaYEN?aD-^iNaA.D-NOTauD-aaCURi --
