Dear Howard,

   You are right to say that there was considerable variety in size, shape
   and tuning of the theorbo. Bigger instruments tend to be better for
   playing in consort or accompanying a singer, because the extra size
   gives a fuller sound. Smaller theorboes are better for tricky solo
   pieces. However, there is no reason why one shouldn't use a large
   instrument for solos (if your hands are big enough), or a small theorbo
   in a consort (as long as it is sufficiently audible).


   There are various 17^th-century sources which tell us things about
   theorboes, but it is futile to dismiss them all out of hand, just
   because they don't happen to have exactly the wording we want, or
   because what they say doesn't apply to all circumstances. We have to
   interpret what they say as best we can, and we may sometimes draw
   different conclusions.


   Thomas Mace (Musick's Monument, p. 208) explains how the tuning is
   determined by the size of the instrument. Of the theorbo he writes:


   "By Reason of the Largeness of It, we are constrain'd to make use of an
   Octave Treble-String, that is, of a Thick String, which stands Eight
   Notes Lower, than the String of a Smaller Lute, (for no Strings can be
   made so Strong, that will stand to the Pitch of Consort, upon such
   Large Sciz'd Lutes) and for want of a Small Treble-String, the Life and
   Spruceness of such Ayrey Lessons, is quite lost, and the Ayre much
   altered. Nay, I have known, (and It cannot be otherwise) that upon some
   Theorboes, they have been forc'd to put an Octave String in the 2d.
   String's Place; by reason of the very long Scize of the Theorboe, which
   would not bear a Small String to Its True pitch; because of Its so
   great Length, and the Necessity of setting the Lute at such a High
   Pitch, which must Agree with the rest of the Instruments."


   This concurs with the points Martyn made earlier, that the tuning of
   the theorbo is determined by the size of the instrument. The largest
   theorboes need the first two courses to be tuned an octave lower,
   because otherwise the strings would break. Smaller instruments may be
   tuned the same way, of course, but there is not the same need, since
   the shorter strings will not necessarily break at the higher octave.


   Some years ago I witnessed the re-invention of the theorbo on an early
   music course in Latvia. The students had been lent a lute, and one of
   the strings broke. It was the first course. All they had to hand was a
   metal guitar string, but they thought that tuning it up to pitch would
   put too great a strain on the instrument. Nevertheless, they used the
   guitar string, because that was all they had, but they tuned it an
   octave lower to be on the safe side. They did so without knowing about
   theorboes. Fortunately I had some spare lute strings, so the guitar
   string was taken off, and the theorbo became a lute again.


   Best wishes,


   Stewart McCoy.




   -----Original Message-----
   From: howard posner [mailto:[email protected]]
   Sent: 17 February 2009 21:54
   To: lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Non-Toy Theorbo for sale


   On Feb 17, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote:


   > To be fair to Martyn, he is merely using one of the fundamentals of

   > historical lute stringing, the highest string is tuned to the

   > highest pitch

   > that is possible with the thinnest useable string.

   > *   *     *

   > This is what they did back then, before modern stringing

   > possibilities.


   I'm very leery of "they" and "then," seeing as we're talking about

   thousands of players and instruments over a period of 150 years or so.


   Does some historical source say both "highest pitch possible" and

   "thinnest useable string" in discussing theorbos?  And if so, is

   there any reason to believe that every theorbist subscribed to it?

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