Anthony,

perhaps i should clarify my expertise (or the lack of such) concerning the 
string making, as to ascertain and such... Just to make the connection: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg25030.html 

Now i will try to answer some of your questions. Very obviously, i do not have 
any serious experience with gut, and i did not make any serious experiments 
with it. I did have some shorter and longer discussions with Mimmo while he was 
in the process of developing his loaded gut strings, and have tried loading 
myself, i could appreciate the difficulties he encountered. The stranded 
structure of his recent loaded strings is not the only reason for their 
improved qualities. He also found some better chemical treatments (lets not 
forget, Mimmo Peruffo IS a professional chemist!). From what i can see, there 
is a better bond between the gut and the metal. Otherwise no amount of 
flexibility would be of any use: the copper slurry would just crumble and 
dislodge from the gut. This particular point might be almost of essence in 
regard of what metals work the best with animal proteins. Personally i am not 
aware of any animal protein - metal salts bind described historically. I know 
that Mimmo has searched high and low to find evidence or any documented 
description of technique. I am not privy to the results. However, textile use 
of metal salts of practically every single metal on earth (as well as use to 
impregnate wood, btw) are extremely well documented. 
There is one fundamental difference in problems facing a string maker if he 
attempts to bind gut with metal salt and make string of it, or if he does it 
with the silk. Gut string is glued together by its' own matter, so to speak. 
Collagen is both the fibers and the glue that holds string together. Thus 
introduction of any foreign material disrupts the bond. In leather works 
therefore the tanning is a very important and ingenious process (as a matter of 
fact, leather tanning was exactly the area Mimmo was researching closely). 
Tanning produces such a change in collagen, that it becomes able to take dyes, 
stay flexible indefinitely, be glued with a variety of glues (all the qualities 
missing in raw collagen, but so important in case you want to bind it with 
metal salts). 
Silk fiber, on the other hand is glued together by a separate glue (sericin), 
produced by the worm, and if that glue is removed (easily by hot water), silk 
fiber binds very easily with any salt. It does not like the dyes, UNLESS first 
treated with some metallic salt. So, while binding gut with metal proceeds by a 
very difficult path, silk binds naturally, and allows after that any imaginable 
treatment to create any kind of flexibility etc., including creating a finish 
impenetrable by poisonous metals, if so be desired.
I can not attest to how different the sound of mercury-lead salts vs copper 
pigment in gut would be, but i can say that in silk, the lower molecular weight 
of the loading is, the duller, less sustained is the sound. Which makes sense, 
as there is less structural disturbance to the fibers themselves. The best 
sound by far was to me of a gold plated silk. It was quite easy to do, by the 
way, using very low voltage in salt brine with suspended gold pigment. There.
It is both amazing and stupefiing that the old string makers managed to create 
a very reliable and certain technology on par only with the contemporary to us 
world of guitar string-market. The lute was everywhere, and every single one of 
them had so perfectly working basses, that nobody ever questioned - how they 
work, nobody cared for the longest time for any silly wire-wounds. In fact they 
worked so well and so obviously, that no one did bother to describe them to us, 
silly ancestors.
What a pity! 

Dear Damian, Alexandern, Andreas and All

        I forgot to add, that I do think that the use of lute extensions,  
such as the longer "Dutch" lute types, could have been an alternative  
to using loaded strings.

Indeed, these lutes could be the lutemakers response to the  
contradictory need both for long basses and short stopped string  
lengths.
As I understand it, the strings remain more or less the same  
thickness accross the basses, with a step in length to compensate for  
what would otherwise call for an increase in thickness. While the  
stopped strings can remain manageably short. According to Stephen  
Gottllieb this actually  works well, and the basses are quite loud.

However, loading would be the string maker's response to the same  
problem, allowing them to keep the same core size across the basses  
but to apply a step-up in density to compensate for the stable  
thickness. Thus also keeping a relatively short stopped string length.

The two approaches would have stemmed from a similar thought process.

In both cases, we keep a relatively manageable short stopped string  
length: the step-up in length, or in density, are sort of two sides  
of the same sort of reflection, but within the technical scope of the  
two different trades. I find this quite convincing, thinking that the  
theory must have already been there in the observations in Galileo's  
father's work on pitch and tension of lute strings, as well as his  
own on the pendulum.
Although at a much later date and about demifilé, this is more or  
less the way Claude Perrault sees the behaviour of loaded strings,  
"Ouvres de Pysique" , Amsterdam 1680
http://www.aquilacorde.com/perrault.jpg

        As Mersenne quoted by David Taylor "gives 20 seconds as the ring  
length (of bass strings) which is longer than the Pyramid strings  
ring on my lutes."
and Andreas Schlegel some time back remarked that Francesco Lana  
Terzi 1686, mentiond the use of silk basses; while Alexander says he  
has successfully made such loaded bass strings, I suppose these are  
also a plausible alternative, or could have coexisted with loaded gut.
I believe silk strings do have much greater sustain, although I don't  
know how damping through loading may effect this.

Perhaps, Alexander can inform us on that.
Regards
Anthony



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