Mustafa,
I don't understand the specifics of what you're suggesting, but I
have no problem with the theory. Personally, I could care less what an
instrument is made of if it plays and sounds good. As for non-organic
materials, if you're a lute player using synthetic strings, you're
going all 20th century at the most important part. (...no...no... -
must... resist... urge... to say that modern gut strings are 20th
century, too... There, urge repressed.)
I imagine my main instruments will always be made in the
traditional manner, but, assuming this sort of approach would yield
practical results, I would love to have a closet full of various
instruments if it would only cost me a few hundred bucks. I don't have
much interest in concentrating on the archlute repertoire, but if it
didn't set me back much, I'm sure I'd have one. Ditto baroque guitar
for those one-off projects. Bring on the orpharion, six-course lute,
7-course lute, 10, 11, and 12-course lutes, English theorbo, swan neck,
juach and bass riders, big, medium, toy theorbos as well as big, medium
and toy tiorbinos (two sets of all of the above, of course for tuning
in A, G or A=136). I'm sure I've forgotten plenty of things, but I
would buy them when I thought of them. I'd never actually get anything
done, but it would be fun.
In all seriousness, I will admit to being extremely skeptical,
however. Among others, Ovation and Rainsong guitars have been made out
of molded materials for years now, but there has been radical no
increase in quality or drop in price. How would what you're proposing
differ? Sounds intriguing, but its a hard sell with this
ueber-conservative crowd.
Chris
--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Mustafa Umut Sarac <[email protected]>
wrote:
From: Mustafa Umut Sarac <[email protected]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Luthier , Engineered Best , Fastest ,
Cheapest[Scanned]
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:14 PM
Hello All , Hello Demery , I am happy to read that you understood
the
benefits of this system.
This is a new business model not a scam and I dont want anybodys
money
now but help.
If we create a model database and decrease these instruments price
and
accessibility , it will be a lute revolution like cheap sumatra
classical guitars did.
There is lot of money in this business. List members can make good
money after learning the use of softwares , follow the technology ,
update their models to new plastics.
I am ready to share cad drawings with anybody who can check the
failures and suggest refinements
I know its hard to understand plastics , composites , load stresses
,
vibration simulation , shape change , finite element analysis , ink
jet
printing and creating a body called rapid prototyping and my
application rapid manufacturing , modeling softwares , cad files
etc.
This is new for all who lived with wood . But not a Einstein stuff.
As I mentioned before these are extremelly expensive softwares but
very
easy to program and get result.
My difference from all European or American luthier is to have these
softwares , they sell them 50 000 dollars worth of program for 20
dollars here !
Why wouldnt I use them ?
My aim is to create few reference instrument designs with all
graphical
analysis , sound simulation and create a database of these crafts
with
calibrated to different harmonics.
I am an achaeologist and I love archiving good stuff
Than the next step comes after creating database for references.
This
is free form lutes. This is related genetic algorithms and called
evolutionary design but lets stop here.
Now I need to have good design plans for lutes. I want to make
paduan
theorbos . I will draw them to a computer again and create 3 D File.
Than distribure it to group and listen suggestions. Than the science
comes in.
If you go to [1]www.mit.edu and search for guitar , you will find
white
plastic acoustic guitars.
They are big , strong and good sounding.
You can learn the name of the printer , if i m not wrong red
company.
They have printers all over the world.
They create whatever you want from many materials selection and YOU
CAN
UPLOAD YOUR 3D FILE TO THEIR ONLINE COMPUTER SYSTEM AND LEARN THE
COST.OF MANUFACTURING. You will not pay hundreds to air shipment ,
prey
for a unbroken lute.
CARBON INSTRUMENT MADE FROM EPOXY AND CARBON FIBER COMPOSITE AND
EVEN
TODAY YOU CAN ORDER EPOXY PARTS FOR EXAMPLE SOUND BOARDS FROM RP
COMPANIES.
Technology is developing , in few years you will recieve carbon
intruments from this printer
Now I need plans free preferably scanned ones you have or it will
take
hell of time and money to collect them. I will create 3D file and
distribute to the group.
This is more sensual than money :)
Best ,
Mustafa Umut Sarac
Buyuksehir B 17 A Blok Daire 21
Beylikduzu Istanbul
Turkey
On 5/15/09, [2][1][email protected]
<[3][2][email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2009, Narada <[4][3][email protected]>
said:
>> I don't think this guy is for real. This is a scam.
i dont see that. The concept is modern and very plausible, the
financial
end of it is risque until tested; how much was he asking?
>> My business, which is in 3D visualisation, animation and 3D
modelling
>> offers this service thru' a third party company. He's right
when
he
>> says you'll get it back in a week, the actual printing process
is
>> quite quick. But once you load it with strings it will just
come
>> apart.
If you get back a wax model, its not intended as a finished
product
- but
could be a legitimate intermediate stage for a luthier to finish
off. Dont
forget to consider the season before ordering (also an issue for
super-glue), modeling wax deforms easily in transit when in hot
vehicles
or trans-shipment warehousing.
If you are getting a carbon-fiber shell from him thats more
interesting,
figure out a way to join it to a traditional top and thats a lot
of
work
saved, could be worth a couple hundred to a busy luthier. I
suspect
carbon-fiber would make a good body, assuming hide glue works.
And
if it
doesnt, maybe they can work in a light-wood rim around the inside
(willow,
poplar...).
--
Dana Emery
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