Ed Durbrow wrote:
Please do.
On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote:
(I can put up some juicy examples if anyone is interested)
Well I'm going to have to backtrack a bit here! Maybe 'juicy' was
over-colourful. I'm an amateur and approach these things from the
perspective of an amateur and all the bumbling amateurs who have tried
to play plucked instruments in the past.
I thought it might be interesting to put up some examples of 15th
century music for people who hadn't seen it before. I realise that there
is music from the late 14th century - what used to be called Mannerist
and is now Ars Subtilor or something - which is really much more complex
rhythmically.
I think I must be suffering from false memory syndrome: looking again at
the Dufay secular songs, they don't seem too tricky. Of course to play
them with style is another matter but to simply play them perhaps isn't
anywhere near as challenging as I suggested. There is the issue of
moving between 3/4 and 6/8, as conventionally notated in modern
editions, of course. And they can be quite fiddly. Here's one, put up
temporarily:
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Dufay.jpg
Not that difficult - but not that easy either. Looking over the secular
songs as a whole, if I was sight-reading them with others - and bagged
the lowest part! - I wouldn't be worrying too much.
I had in mind some much more difficult (juicy) rhythmic movement, but
looking around, I can't find what I was looking for. Maybe I had just
imagined it. Still there are lots of pieces which I find very
challenging, and I'm sure many amateurs would. Jon Banks in his 'Music
for Lute Consort' (UK Lute Society) has collected some. Some are from
the Odhecaton but also other places. Often pieces work themselves up to
a lather in the last few bars (as in modern editions) and are really
tricky. I've battled with the individual parts of this (put up temporarily):
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Vostre.jpg
I find this very difficult just to play the individual lines, let alone
play them alongside the other lines. Maybe, as been suggested, playing
the music without bar-lines would make things easier. Personally, I
think that would make thing quite impossible. In fact I'd rather
re-write bits of it and have ties all over the place to see where the
underlying pulse is, even if no note actually falls on it.
But if anything counts as juicy it must be this:
http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/J'ay.jpg
Stuart
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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