Hi Mathias,
Thank you for clarifying the tunings of the Wemyss MS. Again I had not seen
the manuscript, so did not know if it required the transitional tunings. As
to the Balcarres MS, I was aware that there were additional tunings however
the majority of the MS can be played with the "Flat Tuning" as described.
I would hypothesize that the error stems from Mr. Chadwick's unfamiliarity
with transitional lute tunings. To restate, I believe he was trying to
relate the tab to the most common tuning for Gaelic harp and somehow managed
to lose his way.
Steve
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From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:08 AM
To: "Steven Amazeen" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
Steve,
yes, it's true, his 6th course is A, and the standard renaissance tuning
in A is, 1st to 6th courses, a' e' b g d A. As I said, this is standard
renaissance tuning in A, not Flat Tuning.
That's what confused me, I think. Wemyss is _not_ renaissance. Wemyss
makes use of three different tunings which slightly differ from each
other.
First, there's the Flat Tuning (f' d' bb g d A).
The second tuning is called Flat Save The 3rd Sharp (f' d' b g d A),
the third is what Chadwick correctly shows, the Sharp Tuning (f#' d' b g
d A).
Straloch requires renissance tuning, Wemyss requires transitional
baroque tunings.
And for the record, what's called Flat Tuning in Balcarres (for the
lion's share of pieces in it) actually is standard D minor tuning.
There are seven pieces in Balcarres, though, that require sharp tuning,
and 2 that require harp tuning (g' d' b g d A).
Mathias
"Steven Amazeen" <[email protected]> schrieb:
Hi Mathias,
I believe that the descriptions of the tunings are for A lute rather
than
the typical G. Apparently the reason for this is that it puts the
music in
a very good tuning for the harp. There is a doubled note used in
gaelic
harp tuning referred to as the "NeCawlee" in the tuning chart.
Naturally
this wouldn't apply to the lute, however it can make a difference to
the
execution of the music on the harp. Interestingly there is no
reference to
the 8th course although it is clearly used in the Straloch MS.
"Cronan"
refers to the lowest note of the scale on many harps (a nominal G or
Gamma
UT). According to Mr. Chadwick strings lower in pitch than cronan
were
variably tuned.
The Straloch MS appears to be in renaissance tuning, and I have not
seen the
Wemyss MS so I am unsure why Mr. Chadwick refers to this tuning as the
"Flat
Tuning".
Overall the effort seems to be to relate the tablature to the most
common
tuning of the Gaelic harp.
Steve
(who plays much more harp than lute these days)
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From: ""Mathias Roesel"" <[1][email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:44 AM
To: <[2][email protected]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
> I was a bit puzzled, though, by what he describes as tuning required
in
> Straloch: [3]http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources/lute.htm
Straloch is
> renaissance tuning, no?
>
> Mathias
>
> "wolfgang wiehe" <[4][email protected]> schrieb:
>> Thanks Val for sharing the "facsimile". I found this:
>> [5]http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources/straloch.htm
>> greetings
>> wolfgang
>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> > Datum: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:54:03 +0100
>> > Von: "Valery Sauvage" <[6][email protected]>
>> > An: "\'Stephen Fryer\'" <[7][email protected]>, "\'Eugene C.
Braig
IV\'"
>> > <[8][email protected]>
>> > CC: "\'Lute Net\'" <[9][email protected]>
>> > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
>>
>> > Here is a link to a pdf of the Straloch (a copy was given to me
by
a
>> > lutenist in 1985... so as it is not published, enjoy !)
>> > [10]http://www.mediafire.com/?mzjndtjq2yj
>> > About differences of the piece we were talking about, look for "A
>> > daunce"
>> > page 16, other version of the same tune.
>> > Valery
>> >
>> > -----Message d'origine-----
>> > De : [11][email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] De la
>> > part
>> > de Stephen Fryer
>> > Envoye : mardi 5 janvier 2010 01:27
>> > A : Eugene C. Braig IV
>> > Cc : 'Lute Net'
>> > Objet : [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
>> >
>> >
>> > Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
>> > > I'm not certain, but I believe it is contained in this
publication:
>> > > [12]http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute
>> > >
>> > > I can check my own copy when home.
>> >
>> > Thanks Eugene. Last time I'd looked (a couple of years ago after
>> > taking
>> > Ronn's class on Scottish Lute) it was out of print and I couldn't
find
>> > a
>> > copy. I looks like it is available again so I'll get a copy (I
already
>> > have volume 2). Not only that but you can preview it at
Amazon.com.
>> >
>> > Interestingly there seem to be some differences (besides Ronn's
>> > variations) between this publication and what Valerie sent.
>> >
>> > Stephen Fryer
>
>
>
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References
1. mailto:[email protected]
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3. http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources/lute.htm
4. mailto:[email protected]
5. http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources/straloch.htm
6. mailto:[email protected]
7. mailto:[email protected]
8. mailto:[email protected]
9. mailto:[email protected]
10. http://www.mediafire.com/?mzjndtjq2yj
11. mailto:[email protected]
12. http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute
13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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