The libraries need money to continue their important work. There are persons scattered around the world with keen interest in having some of these libraries' holdings digitized (such as lute enthusiasts). Wouldn't it be the best of both worlds if groups of enthusiasts could 'organize': Through the miracle of the internet, a central site could have enthusiasts 'vote' on which manuscripts would be the highest priority to digitize and offer online. A person, or entity could negotiate a monetary amount for that digitization with said library, enthusiasts could contribute toward this cost, and, voila, the desired manuscript is available. As mentioned below, this still offers the possibility of a publisher publishing with scholarly editorials, concordances, etc. It could be a win - win - win. Is it possible? trj
-----Original Message----- From: Monica Hall <[email protected]> To: wikla <[email protected]> Cc: Lutelist <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 11:02 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries? > So then, what is the reason of the difference between the way British > Library acts and how for example the great Munich Library does? There are > even many lute mss. in the Munich free scans already! Perhaps more > capitalism and "market economy" in the UK? Less funding to culture? Short answer - Yes. the Uk is a cultural desert inhabited mainly by Philistines. > Arto > > PS Luckily our network of 'friends in lute' often helps! :-)) Yes - what would we do without it. Monica > > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:25:39 -0000, "Monica Hall" <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hi Donna >> >> You have said it all. Easier said than done. And even if the >> British Library do start digitizing things they wont start with lute >> manuscripts, still less with baroque guitar manuscripts. >> >> We will just have to go on paying upfront for photocopies and >> mircrofilms. >> >> >> >> Monica >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: [1]Ron Andrico >> >> To: [2][email protected] >> >> Cc: [3][email protected] >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:48 PM >> >> Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) >> libraries? >> >> (Donna here) Thanks, Monica. My last day job was digitizing >> materials for Cornell's Rare & Manuscript Library, and my response >> to this thread became so long-winded that Ron suggested it should be >> a blog post. So be it: >> [4]http://mignarda.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/just-put-it-all-online/ >> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:02:51 +0000 >> > To: [5][email protected] >> > CC: [6][email protected] >> > From: [7][email protected] >> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) >> libraries? >> > >> > As a retired librarian it seems to me that everyone will be better >> off if >> > you have your way except the poor old libraries and librarians who >> need >> > money to keep their heads above water. Without us there wouldn't >> be any >> > books available or a decent place to read them. Why should people >> make >> > money out of doing an edition or even publishing a facsimile but >> the not the >> > people and organizations who >> > have made sure that these things are preserved in the first place? >> > >> > In any case even a facsimile is not a substitute for seeing the >> real thing. >> > >> > Monica >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "David Tayler" <[email protected]> >> > To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:33 PM >> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) >> libraries? >> > >> > >> > > Although I understand all of the issues, including compensating >> ppl >> > > for their time, charging money for facsimiles is basically evil, >> and >> > > in the long run everyone will be better served by having more >> music >> > > available--more concerts, more audience, more work. >> > > What all libraries should do is just put it all online, and then >> if >> > > someone wants to make an edition and sell it, fine. Just make a >> PDF, >> > > and upload it, and I guarantee that everyone will benefit. >> > > This also prevents players from owning a repertory by limiting >> access. >> > > >> > > If scholars want to sell the commentary as a separate book, that >> is >> > > also fine, and continues an established tradition. >> > > dt >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > At 12:32 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote: >> > >> Still something that I don't get: >> > >> >> > >> why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their >> MS >> > >> available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the >> the >> > >> Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, >> while >> > >> there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) - >> that >> > >> still do not even seem to envisage that ... >> > >> >> > >> Shall we (as single members of the list) put some pressure on >> our >> > >> local >> > >> libraries? Send an email to the curators of their music >> departments - >> > >> maybe as rightful, registered members of the library, as I >> guess some >> > >> of us are - and ask about it? >> > >> (Of course, this doesn't want to diminuish at all the value of >> such >> > >> pubblication as the Dd.2.11 by the Lute Society. The >> scholarship part >> > >> is something you dont get in a digital facsimile ...) >> > >> Your opinion, listers? >> > >> Matteo >> > >> On 10 November 2010 20:19, Denys Stephens >> > >> <[1][email protected]> wrote: >> > >> [...] >> > >> >> > >> It's also worth noting that whilst some >> > >> of >> > >> the world's libraries are making digital copies of their >> musical >> > >> sources >> > >> available, there is currently no expectation that this, or >> indeed >> > >> any of the >> > >> Cambridge University Library manuscripts will become available >> as >> > >> free >> > >> electronic downloads. >> > >> Denys >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> >> > >>References >> > >> >> > >> 1. mailto:[email protected] >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>To get on or off this list see list information at >> > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:[email protected] >> 2. mailto:[email protected] >> 3. mailto:[email protected] >> 4. http://mignarda.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/just-put-it-all-online/ >> 5. mailto:[email protected] >> 6. mailto:[email protected] >> 7. mailto:[email protected] --
