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Jörg, I was shipping a Canadian instrument from Canada to the US, so some of the forms I needed were NAFTA forms, which are quite different and unique to North American. FDA 2877 appears to be concerned with electronic equipment and the emission of radiation, which is not yet a problem I've encountered with lutes, at least none of mine. The offending legislation is the Lacey Act in the US, which is important legislation but is also a monstrous pain in the backside. I've attached the form that I think might be the one you need, but much of the paperwork was done by my buyer and UPS. I know that this is one of the forms that was used, and I think that it is the important one, but I don't know if there are any others that will be needed. The form is attached. My suggestion would be to discuss this with a luthier who has experience shipping instruments to the US. Many of my problems were sorted out by asking my luthier for assistance, and he provided the same information and instructions he had used dozens of times. Fill out the form and then ask a local luthier how they do it. Also, by all means, avoid UPS. The postal services offer exactly the same services, only better. Perhaps someone else has some suggestions in this matter and can add something? Best, Graham On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Hilbert Jörg <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Graham, > dear all, > > thank you very much for the caution. > You may probably be the one to help now ... ore somebody else? > > I am just about to send a lute from Germany to San Francisco, and therefore > I needs lots of documents, such as you mentioned. There is one from the > German office to confirm, that the exported woods are not problematic. BUT > I need a similar one to declare the same for the import. I was told, that > it might be the form "FDA 2877", but this seams to be something different. > As my English is not too bright, I just do not understand this all, and I > this is, why I am looking for help now. So this is my question: > > Does anybody know, which document (FDA?) I need to declare my import to the > USA, or where to find it? > Thanks in advance to everybody, who can give me some advice. > > Jörg > > > > > > Am 01.11.2010 um 14:38 schrieb Graham Freeman: > > > Dear Collective Wisdom, > > A few weeks ago, I sent out a message soliciting advice concerning > > selling my theorbo on the lute list. Many of you replied promptly with > > some excellent advice, and I'm very grateful. Thank you to everyone who > > replied. I have sold my beautiful theorbo to a good home where it will > > be fed well and kept warm. > > Also, I might impart to you the cautionary tale of its transport. It > > was sent by UPS from Toronto to New York, and the shipping was prepaid > > by the buyer. After getting to Buffalo quite quickly, it was then held > > at US Customs for more than a week. Every day it was sent back and > > forth between the UPS office and the Customs office trying to get > > approval to get it through Customs. The problem seemed to be the Lacey > > Act, a measure originally meant to interrupt the trafficking in animals > > but expanded in 2008 to include plants and plant products, such as > > wood. The fact that the instrument was made of wood (combined with some > > poor Customs official opening it up and having no idea what it might > > be) made it very suspicious to the great thinkers they hire at Customs. > > I had to contact the luthier to verify where all the wood had been > > sourced, the buyer had to obtain power of attorney over the instrument > > and sign a document verifying the origin of the wood, etc. I was very > > fortunate that the buyer was extremely well-versed in this sort of > > thing, but it took an enormous amount of effort just to get it to its > > destination. After the many dozens of times it must have been taken out > > and inspected by people who didn't know what they were doing, I was > > perhaps fortunate that the only damage it sustained was some minor > > damage to a tuning peg. The most inconvenient and worrying part, of > > course, was that the instrument was being held in storage, probably > > with no consideration for the fragility of the instrument at all, for > > more than a week. > > The moral of the story, I suppose, is that if you are trying to sell or > > ship your instrument to the US from another country, make sure you have > > researched the laws concerning imports into the US, especially of wood > > products, and have some documentation from your luthier concerning the > > woods that were used and where they were sourced, and gets LOTS of > > insurance for the trip. It might not even hurt to get the advice of a > > lawyer or importer in the US who has experience with these things. I > > was fortunate in that respect, but not everyone will be. > > Once again, thank you to everyone for your advice, and I hope my little > > tale saves someone else the stress and trouble it caused me. > > Best, > > Graham Freeman > > -- > > Dr. Graham Freeman > > Ph. D Musicology > > University of Toronto > > [1][email protected] > > -- > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html<http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html> > > -- Dr. Graham Freeman Ph. D Musicology University of Toronto [email protected] --0015174c33ce477c1c0494d29da1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jörg,<br><br>I was shipping a Canadian instrument from Canada to the US, so some of the forms I needed were NAFTA forms, which are quite different and unique to North American. FDA 2877 appears to be concerned with electronic equipment and the emission of radiation, which is not yet a problem I've encountered with lutes, at least none of mine. The offending legislation is the Lacey Act in the US, which is important legislation but is also a monstrous pain in the backside. I've attached the form that I think might be the one you need, but much of the paperwork was done by my buyer and UPS. I know that this is one of the forms that was used, and I think that it is the important one, but I don't know if there are any others that will be needed. The form is attached. My suggestion would be to discuss this with a luthier who has experience shipping instruments to the US. Many of my problems were sorted out by asking my luthier for assistance, and he provided the same ! information and instructions he had used dozens of times. Fill out the form and then ask a local luthier how they do it. Also, by all means, avoid UPS. The postal services offer exactly the same services, only better.<br> <br>Perhaps someone else has some suggestions in this matter and can add something?<br><br>Best,<br><br>Graham<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Hilbert Jörg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Graham,<br> dear all,<br> <br> thank you very much for the caution.<br> You may probably be the one to help now ... ore somebody else?<br> <br> I am just about to send a lute from Germany to San Francisco, and therefore I needs lots of documents, such as you mentioned. There is one from the German office to confirm, that the exported woods are not problematic. BUT I need a similar one to declare the same for the import. I was told, that it might be the form "FDA 2877", but this seams to be something different. As my English is not too bright, I just do not understand this all, and I this is, why I am looking for help now. So this is my question:<br> <br> Does anybody know, which document (FDA?) I need to declare my import to the USA, or where to find it?<br> Thanks in advance to everybody, who can give me some advice.<br> <br> Jörg<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Am 01.11.2010 um 14:38 schrieb Graham Freeman:<br> <br> > Dear Collective Wisdom,<br> > A few weeks ago, I sent out a message soliciting advice concerning<br> > selling my theorbo on the lute list. Many of you replied promptly with<br> > some excellent advice, and I'm very grateful. Thank you to everyone who<br> > replied. I have sold my beautiful theorbo to a good home where it will<br> > be fed well and kept warm.<br> > Also, I might impart to you the cautionary tale of its transport. It<br> > was sent by UPS from Toronto to New York, and the shipping was prepaid<br> > by the buyer. After getting to Buffalo quite quickly, it was then held<br> > at US Customs for more than a week. Every day it was sent back and<br> > forth between the UPS office and the Customs office trying to get<br> > approval to get it through Customs. The problem seemed to be the Lacey<br> > Act, a measure originally meant to interrupt the trafficking in animals<br> > but expanded in 2008 to include plants and plant products, such as<br> > wood. The fact that the instrument was made of wood (combined with some<br> > poor Customs official opening it up and having no idea what it might<br> > be) made it very suspicious to the great thinkers they hire at Customs.<br> > I had to contact the luthier to verify where all the wood had been<br> > sourced, the buyer had to obtain power of attorney over the instrument<br> > and sign a document verifying the origin of the wood, etc. I was very<br> > fortunate that the buyer was extremely well-versed in this sort of<br> > thing, but it took an enormous amount of effort just to get it to its<br> > destination. After the many dozens of times it must have been taken out<br> > and inspected by people who didn't know what they were doing, I was<br> > perhaps fortunate that the only damage it sustained was some minor<br> > damage to a tuning peg. The most inconvenient and worrying part, of<br> > course, was that the instrument was being held in storage, probably<br> > with no consideration for the fragility of the instrument at all, for<br> > more than a week.<br> > The moral of the story, I suppose, is that if you are trying to sell or<br> > ship your instrument to the US from another country, make sure you have<br> > researched the laws concerning imports into the US, especially of wood<br> > products, and have some documentation from your luthier concerning the<br> > woods that were used and where they were sourced, and gets LOTS of<br> > insurance for the trip. It might not even hurt to get the advice of a<br> > lawyer or importer in the US who has experience with these things. I<br> > was fortunate in that respect, but not everyone will be.<br> > Once again, thank you to everyone for your advice, and I hope my little<br> > tale saves someone else the stress and trouble it caused me.<br> > Best,<br> > Graham Freeman<br> > --<br> > Dr. Graham Freeman<br> > Ph. D Musicology<br> > University of Toronto<br> > [1]<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br> > --<br> ><br> > References<br> ><br> > 1. mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br> ><br> ><br> > To get on or off this list see list information at<br> > <a href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</a><br> <br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Dr. Graham Freeman<br>Ph. D Musicology<br>University of Toronto<br><a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br> --0015174c33ce477c1c0494d29da1-- --
