[LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute

[Gernot Hilger]

Dear Wolfgang (and all),

I see there is something in this list for which I have been looking for years 
(and even asked here), an intabulation of missa l'homme armé super voces 
musicales which I believe is one of the finest pieces of music ever written.

Does anybody know about a source for the tab of this one?

Thanks!
Gernot


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> Datum: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:31:18 +0100
> Von: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de>
> An: "\'Lute List\'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute

> Here is the list posted on our lute newsgroup:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg28867.html
> ######################################################################
> Dear David [and the lutenet]
> 
> I made a list of Josquin settings for lute some time ago and Arthur 
> Ness suggested I shared it with you. It includes manuscript and 
> printed sources. I have attached it as a Word document which I hope 
> you can all open.
> 
> best wishes - John H Robinson
> 
> 
> Lute intabulations of music by Josquin in prints and manuscripts
> [John H Robinson, January 1997]
> Manuscript sources:
> 
> Adieu mes amours
> Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53
> Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10
> Benedicta
> Benedicta es regina. VI vocum Josquin Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11
> / Per illiud ave II ditto
> / [Nunc mater exora natum: tertia pars] ditto
> Benedicta es caelorum. 6 uocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.6v-8
> / Secunda pars Per illiud ave Duum ditto
> / Tertia Pars Nunc mater ditto
> Benedicta Es Celorum prima pars Paris 429  ff.38v-43v
> / Per illu dave Secunta pars Paris 429  ff.44-45v
> / Nunc mater Tertia pars Paris 429  ff.46-47
> Benedicta [Ness App.30] [Edin. Dc.5.125] Thistlethwaite  ff.47v-50
> Benedicta es coelorum regina [Ness App.30] 
> Thistlethwaite ff.81v-84
> Chuor languor
> Chuor languor Munich 266 ff.43v-44v
> Circumdederunt
> Circumd dederunt me 6 vocum Munich 266 ff.137v-138
> Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir
> Coment peult avoir [Spinacino] Dallis pp.168-9
> Cum sancto spiritu
> Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de beata Virgine] Munich 272 ff.73v-74
> Et in terra pax [Missa pange linqua]
> Et in terra pax. Parte duna mesa. bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.129
> Et resurrexit de lomo arme [Missa l'homme arme]
> Et resurrexit de lomo arme. Parte duna mesa, bela, et bella 
> *Capirola (c.1517) p.106
> =46ors seulement [not in printed sources]
> Forschalamendt Berlin 40632 ff.17v-18
> For seulament [Gerle 1533<1>/41] Munich 272 ff.57v-58
> Hec dicit dominus [not in printed sources]
> Hec dicit do[min]us 6. Vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.26v-27
> In exitu Israell / Deus autem / Dominus memor
> In exitu Israell der erst taill Munich 272 ff.82v-85
> / In exitu Israell der ander taill [2: Deus autem] ditto
> / In exitu Israell der drit taill [3: Dominus memor] ditto
> Inviolata /  Nosta vt pura / O Beningna
> Inviolata. Josquin quinque vocum Munich 267 ff.2v-4
> / Secunda Pars  Nosta vt pura ditto
> / Tertia Pars O Beningna ditto
> Mille Regres
> Mille Regres Munich 266 f.41
> Mille Regres / mit 4 stimmen Sequitur Munich 272 f.47v
> Mille regres Wroclaw 352 ff.54v-55v
> cf. VIII Galliarda V[alentin?] B[akfark?] [parody - Peter 
> Kir=E1ly] Basel F.IX.70 p.299
> Plus mil Regres
> Plus mil Regres Munich 266 ff.55-55v
> Plus mil Regres / Ist zimlich gueth Munich 1511d ff.11v-12v
> Preter Rerum
> Preter Rerum mit 6 stimmen der erst taill Munich 272 ff.80v-82
> Preter Rerum der ander taill mit 6 stimmen [2: Virtus 
> sancti spiritus] ditto
> Preter rerum seriem. 6 vocum Wroclaw 352 ff.3-5v
> Qui habitat
> Qui habitat 4or vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.14v-17
> / Secunda Pars Non accedat ditto
> Qui habitat der erst taill Munich 272 ff.77v-80
> / Qui habitat der ander tail [2: Non accedat] ditto
> Qui habitat in adiutorio altissimi Iosquini Luneberg 1196 p.4
> Qui tollis pechata mundi [Missa pange linqua]
> Qui tollis pechata mundi. Parte duna mesa. e piu bela. 
> Capirola (c.1517) p.132
> Stabat Mater Dolorosa
> V[alentin].B[akfark].Stabat Mater Dolorosa 5 Vocu: 
> Berlin 40598 ff.150v-151
> [Homolya&Benko 37]
> 
> Combined prints and manuscripts:
> 
> MASSES [more or less complete settings]:
> Missa Ave Maris Stella [Benedictus]
> Otra missa de Jusquin de ave maristella Pisador (1552)
> cf. Fantasia acomposturada de cierta parte
>         de la missa de Ave maristella de Josquin 
> Valderrabano (1547)
> Missa Beata Virgine [Cum sancto spiritu]
>   Otra missa de Jusquin de beata virgen Pisador (1552)
> Missa Dicha [Credo]
> Missa Fa Re Mi Re?
> Otra missa de Jusquin que va sobre fa re mi re Pisador (1552)
> Missa de Faysan Regres [Et in terra pax, Et incarnatus est]
> Missa de Fortuna Desesperata [Benedictus, Pleni]
> Missa de la Fuga [Cum sancto spiritu]
> Otra missa de Jusquin de la fuga Pisador (1552)
> Missa de Gaudeamus
> Otra missa de Jusquin de gaudeamus Pisador (1552)
> Missa de Hercules [Pleni sunt celi]
> Missa de Jusquin, de Ercules dux ferrarie Pisador (1552)
> Missa L'homme arme [Agnus dei, Et resurrexit?]
> Otra missa  de super bozes musicales Jusquin,
>           missa L'homme arme super voces musicales 
> Pisador (1552)
> Missa Misma
> Missa Pange Lingua [Benedictus, Et in terra pax?]
> Missa Sine Nomine [Cum sancto spiritu]
> Missa de la Sol Fa Re Mi [Christe]
> Missa sobre la sol fa re mi Pisador (1552)
> 
> INDIVIDUAL PARTS:
> 1. Absolon fili mi
> Absolon fili mi Ochsenkun (1558)
> 2. Adieu mes amours
> Adieu mes amours Spinacino (1507)
> Adieu mes amours Gerle (1533)
> Adiu mes amours Newsidler (1536)
>    Adiu mes amours [again] Newsidler (1536)
> Adiu mes amours Drusina (1556)
> Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53
> Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10
> 3. Agnus dei
> Agnus dei (Missa L'homme arme) Valderrabano (1547)
> Agnus dei de la misa de gaudeamus Valderrabano (1547)
> 4. Ave Maria
> Ave Maria Spinacino (1507)
> Ave maria a sey de Josquin Francesco da Milano (1536)
> Ave Maria di Jusquin a sei Francesco da Milano (1546)
> Ave Maria Gintzler (1547)
> Ave Maria Valderrabano (1547)
> Ave Maria Phalese (1547)
> Ave Maria Ochsenkun (1558)
> 5. Benedicta es coelorum regina
> Benedicta es Gintzler (1547)
> Benedictus Duo (Missa Ave Maris Stella) Valderrabano (1547)
> Benedicta Phalese (1547)
> Benedictus de Jusquin de la missa de fortuna desesperata 
> Pisador (1552)
> Le duo de Benedicta (from Benedicta es coelorum regina) 
> [guitar] Gorlier (1551)
> Benedictus.  Duo de la missa pange lingua Fuenllana (1554)
> Benedicta es coelorum regina Fuenllana (1554)
> Benedicta Albert de Rippe (1558)
> Benedicta Phalese and Bellere (1571)
> Benedicta es coelorum M. Newsidler (1574)
> Glosa sobre un Benedictus de una missa
> de Josquin que va sobre la sol fa re mi Mudarra (1546)
> Benedicta es regina. VI vocum Josquin Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11
> Benedicta es caelorum. 6 uocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.6v-8
> Benedicta Es Celorum prima pars Paris 429  ff.38v-43v
> Benedicta [Ness App.30] [Edin. Dc.5.125]  Thistlethwaite  ff.47v-50
> Benedicta es coelorum regina [Ness App.30] 
> Thistlethwaite ff.81v-84
> 6. Christe
> Christe de la missa de la sol fa re mi Fuenllana (1554)
> 7. Chuor languor
> Chuor languor Munich 266 ff.43v-44v
> 8. Circundederunt me
> Circundederunt me Gintzler (1547)
> Circumd dederunt me 6 vocum Munich 266 ff.137v-138
> 9. Coment peult avoir
> Coment peult avoir Joye Spinacino (1507)
> Coment peult avoir Dallis pp.168-9
> 10. Credo
> Otra parte del credo de la dicha misa Valderrabano (1547)
> 11. Cum sancto spiritu
> Cum sancto spiritu Newsidler (1536)
> Cum sancto spiritu de la missa de la
> fuga de josquin (Missa sine nomine) Narvaez (1538)
> Cum sancto spiritu de beata virgine Valderrabano (1547)
> Cum sancto spiritu Phalese (1552)
> Cum Sancto spiritu Ochsenkun (1558)
> Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de Beata Virgine] Heckel (1562)
> Glosa sobre el Cum Sancto Spiritu de la missa
> de Beata Virgine de Josquin Mudarra (1546)
> Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de beata Virgine] Munich 272 ff.73v-74
> 12. Deus autem noster [2nd part of In exitu Israel]
> [Deus autem noster] Ochsenkun (1558)
> In exitu Israell der ander taill [Deus autem] 
> Munich 272 ff.82v-85
> In exitu Israell der drit taill [Dominus memor] 
> Munich 272 ff.82v-85
> 13. Dominus  memor fuit [3rd part of In exitu Israel]
> [Dominus  memor fuit] Ochsenkun (1558)
> In exitu Israell der drit taill [Dominus memor] Munich 272 ff.82v-85
> 14. Et incarnatus est
> Et incarnatus est de la misa de faysan regres Valderrabano (1547)
> 15. Et in terra pax
> Et in terra. Primera parte de la gloria de la missa de Faysan 
> regres  Fuenllana (1554)
> Et in terra pax. Parte duna mesa. bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.129
> 16. Et resurrexit
> Et resurrexit de lomo arme. Parte duna mesa, bela, et bella 
> Capirola (c.1517) p.106
> 17. Eya mater fons amoris me
> [Eya mater] Gintzler (1547)
> Eya mater fons amoris me Ochsenkun (1558)
> 18. Faulte dargent
> Faulte dargent Cest douleur non pareille Bakfark (1565)
> 19. Fecit potentiam
> Fecit potentiam. Duo de Josquin Fuenllana (1554)
> 20. Fors seulement
> Forschalamendt Berlin 40632 ff.17v-18
> For seulament [Gerle 1533<1>/41] Munich 272 ff.57v-58
> 21. Fortuna
> Fortuna dun gran tempo Spinacino (1507)
> 22. Gloria
> La segunda parte de la gloria de la misa de faysan regres de 
> Josquin Mudarra (1546)
> 23. Hec dicit dominus
> Hec dicit do[min]us 6. Vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.26v-27
> 24. In exitu Israel de Egipto
> In exitu Israel de Aegypto [Quand Israel hors d'Egypte] 
> [guitar] Brayssing (1553)
> In exitu Israel de Egipto Ochsenkun (1558)
> In exitu Israell der erst taill Munich 272 ff.82v-85
> 25. In pace in idipsum
>   In pace in idipsum Spinacino (1507)
> 26. In principio erat verbum
> In principio erat verbum Pisador (1552)
> 27. In te Domine speravi
> In te Domine speravi Newsidler (1544)
> 28. Inviolata
> Inviolata Gerle (1533)
> Inviolata integra Ochsenkun (1558)
> Inviolata. Josquin quinque vocum Munich 267 ff.2v-4
> 29. Kyrie, primero
> Primero kyrie de la missa de Faisan regres Fuenllana (1554)
> Primero kyrie de la missa de la sol fa re mi Fuenllana (1554)
> Kyrie primero de la missa de Beata Virgine de Josquin glosado 
> Mudarra (1546)
> 30. Kyrie, postrero
> Postrero kyrie Fuenllana (1554)
> Glosa sobre un Kyrie postrero de una misa de Josquin que va 
> sobre Pange lingua Mudarra (1546)
> Fantasia remedada al chirie postrero de la misa de Josquin, 
> de beata virgine Valderrabano (1547)
> Postrero kyrie de la missa de Faysan regres Fuenllana (1554)
> 31. La Bernardina
> La Bernardina Spinacino (1507)
> La Bernardina Newsidler (1536)
> 32. La plus te plus
> La plus te plus Newsidler (1536)
> 33. Memor esto
> Memor esto Newsidler (1536)
> 34. Mille Regres
> Mile regres Gerle (1533)
> Mile regretz Newsidler (1536)
> Mille regres. La cancion del Emperador del quarto tono de 
> Jusquin Narvaez (1538)
> Mille regres Phalese (1546)
> Mille regres Phalese (1552)Phalese
> Mille Regres Munich 266 f.41
> Mille Regres / mit 4 stimmen Sequitur Munich 272 f.47v
> Mille regres Wroclaw 352 ff.54v-55v
> cf. VIII Galliarda V[alentin?] B[akfark?] [parody - Peter 
> Kiraly] Basel F.IX.70 p.299
> 35. Miserere mei deus
> Miserere mei deus de Jusquin Pisador (1552)
> 36. Non accedat at te malum [2nd part of Qui habitat]
> Non accedat at te malum Bakfark (1565)
> Secunda Pars Non accedat Munich 267 ff.14v-17
> Qui habitat der ander tail [Non accedat] Munich 272 ff.77v-80
> 37. Nostra ut pura pectora [2nd part of Inviolata]
> Nostra ut pura Gerle (1533)
>   Nostra ut pura pectora Ochsenkun (1558)
> Secunda Pars Nosta vt pura Munich 267 ff.2v-4
> 38. Nunc mater exora natum [3rd part of Benedicta es caelorum]
> Nunc mater Gintzler (1547)
> Nunc mater exora natum Ochsenkun (1558)
> Nunc mater exora nataum Albert de Rippe (1558)
> Nunc mater Phalese and Bellere (1571)
> Nunc mater exora natum M. Newsidler (1574)
> [Nunc mater exora natum: tertia pars] Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11
> Tertia Pars Nunc mater Munich 267 ff.6v-8
> Nunc mater Tertia pars Paris 429  ff.46-47
> 39. O Benigna [3rd part of Inviolata]
> O benigna Gerle (1533)
> O Benigna O Regina O Maria Ochsenkun (1558)
> Tertia Pars O Beningna Munich 267 ff.2v-4
> 40. Osanna
> Osanna de la misma missa Narvaez (1538)
> Ossanna de la misma missa Narvaez (1538)
> 41. Pater noster
> Pater noster a sey de Josquin Francesco da Milano (1536)
> Pater noster di Jusquin a sei Francesco da Milano (1546)
> Pater noster Gintzler (1547)
> Pater noster Phalese (1547)
> Pater Noster Ochsenkun (1558)
> 42. Per illiud ave 2nd part of Benedicta es caelorum]
> [Per illud ave] Gintzler (1547)
> Per illud ave Duo Valderrabano (1547)
> Per illud ave Phalese (1553)
> Per illud ave Drusina (1556)
> Per illud ave Ochsenkun (1558)
> Per illud ave Albert de Rippe (1558)
> Per illud ave Phalese and Bellere (1571)
> Per illud ave M. Newsidler (1574)
> Per illiud ave II Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11
> Secunda pars Per illiud ave Duum Munich 267 ff.6v-8
> Per illu dave Secunta pars Paris 429  ff.44-45v
> 43. Pleni sunt celi
> Pleni de Jusquin a tres de la missa de fortuna desesperata 
> Pisador (1552)
> Pleni sunt celi.  Duo de la missa de Hercules Fuenllana (1554)
> Pleni de la misa de faysan regres de Josquin Mudarra (1546)
> 44. Plus mil Regres
> Plus mile regres Gerle (1533)
> Plus mueltz regres Newsidler (1536)
> Plus mil Regres Munich 266 ff.55-55v
> Plus mil Regres / Ist zimlich gueth Munich 1511d ff.11v-12v
> 45. Portio mea, Domine
> [Portio mea, Domine] Newsidler (1536)
> 46. Praeter rerum seriem
> Preter rerum Gintzler (1547)
> Preter rerum Fuenllana (1554)
> Praeter rerum seriem Albert de Rippe (1555)
> Praeter rerum seriem Ochsenkun (1558)
> Preter Rerum mit 6 stimmen der erst taill Munich 272 ff.80v-82
> Preter rerum seriem. 6 vocum Wroclaw 352 ff.3-5v
> 47. Qui habitat in adjutorio altissimi
> Qui habitat Gerle (1533)
> Qui habitat Ochsenkun (1558)
> Qui habitat in adjutorio altissimi Bakfark (1565)
> Qui habitat 4or vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.14v-17
> / Secunda Pars Non accedat Munich 267 ff.14v-17
> Qui habitat der erst taill Munich 272 ff.77v-80
> / Qui habitat der ander tail [2: Non accedat] 
> Munich 272 ff.77v-80
> Qui habitat in adiutorio altissimi Iosquini Luneberg 1196 p.4
> 48. Qui tollis pechata mundi
> Qui tollis de la misa de pange lingua Valderrabano (1547)
> Qui tollis peccata.  Segunda parte de la gloria de la sol fa 
> re mi  Fuenllana (1554)
> Qui tollis pechata mundi. Parte duna mesa. e piu bela. 
> Capirola (c.1517) p.132
> 49. Respice in me Deus
> Respice in me Deus [Je ne me puis tenir d'aimer] Mudarra (1546)
> 50. Salve regina
> Salve regina Barberiis (1546)
> Salve [Regina] Pisador (1552)
> 51. Sanctus
> Sanctus dela misa de faisan regres de josquin
> (Missa Hercules Dux Ferrariae) Narvaez (1538)
> Sanctus de josquin de le misa de faissan regres Narvaez (1538)
> 52. Scaramella
> Scaramella Gerle (1532)
> Scaramella Newsidler (1544)
> 53. Stabat Mater Dolorosa
> Stabat mater dolorosa Francesco (1536)
> Stabat mater di Jusquin a 5 Francesco (1546)
> Stabat mater Gintzler (1547)
> Stabat mater dolorosa Ochsenkun (1558)
> V[alentin].B[akfark].Stabat Mater Dolorosa 5 Vocu: 
> Berlin 40598 ff.150v-151
> [Homolya&Benko 37]
> 54. Tota pulchra
> Tota pulchra Pisador (1552)
> 55. Tribulatio & angustia
> Tribulatio & angustia Phalese (1552)
> 56. Tulerunt Dominum meum
> Tulerunt Dominum meum (attr. Gombert, actually Josquin) 
> Adriaenssen (1592)
> 57. Virtus sancti spritus  [2nd part of Preter Rerum]
> Virtus sancti spritus Gintzler (1547)
> [Virtus sancti spiritus] Albert de Rippe (1555)
> Virtus Sancti Spiritus Ochsenkun (1558)
> Preter Rerum der ander taill mit 6 stimmen Munich 272 ff.80v-82
> [Virtus sancti spiritus]
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
> Auftrag von A. J. Ness
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Januar 2011 21:43
> An: be...@interlog.com; Lute List
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute
> 
> 
> Jacob Heringman used Kwee Him Yong's compilation.
> 
> Kwee Him Yong, "Sixteenth-Century Printed Instrumental Arrangements of
> Works by Josquin des Prez. An Inventory," _Tijdschrift van de Vereniging
> voor Nederlandse Muziekgeschiedenis_ 22 (1971), 43-52, 54-66.
> 
> It's available on JSTOR, but most good music libraries will have that
> periodical on the shelf. U of Tornoto will surely have it. If not, they
> must 
> subscribe to JSTOR and you can download the article. Most of the
> articles 
> are in English.  Of course,
> you need to find the music.  But at least with the list you know what to
> look for.
> 
> Also for materials after 1971 (Kwee's date) you can use these finding
> tools:
> 
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html
> 
> Espeically 1991-9 Christan Meyer et al., the on-line index, linked
> there.
> 
> ajn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <be...@interlog.com>
> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:04 AM
> Subject: [LUTE] Josquin music for lute
> 
> 
> > Hi, everyone - I'm taking part in a concert of Josquin music, for  
> > which I'm planning to play some transcriptions of Josquin pieces 
> > transcribed/adapted for lute by other composers. I've  been listening
> 
> > to Jacob Heringman's album of these kind of transcriptions, and I'm 
> > wondering if anyone knows online resources from which one might find  
> > some of these transcriptions. Thanks! Ben S
> >
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at 
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 

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