Dear Martin and All
       I agree with all said, here. Although moving back and forth from a 70cm 
Baroque lute to a 60cm Renaissance lute is rather different; nevertheless, some 
of the impressions are those described, here: when coming back to this 60cm 
Renaissance lute, I find the space "pinched" with a need for far more 
precision, 

and this gets worse as I go up the sound board.
I now feel that at least a 64cm lute would make swapping back and forth easier; 
although the 60cm Gerle does have some bouncy dynamic qualities that I enjoy.

Martin, your superb playing is bringing out the evident qualities  of your C36 
lute and its gut stringing; and your recording is a good whitness to this. It 
seems, therefore, that you have solved some of the sound issues that you had 
originally with the Zoom H2, which you discussed with the list (the need to 
have 

the mics very close because of the noisy preamps, etc). 

I wonder whether you are still using this machine, and if so how you are now 
managing to better cope with these problems?
Regards
Anthony







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De : Martin Shepherd <[email protected]>
À : Daniel Winheld <[email protected]>
Cc : [email protected]
Envoyé le : Mar 1 février 2011, 11h 01min 11s
Objet : [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

Thanks for your comments, Dan.  Just a few random thoughts of my own:

The business of different sizes of lute is interesting.  One thing is clear - 
you get used to whatever you are playing at the moment, and when you change to 
a 

different lute (shorter or longer) it seems strange at first.

Just for the record (Ed), guitar fingerboards are not narrower - a standard 
size 

classical guitar has about the same string band (across six single strings) as 
an 8c lute.  The spacing of courses on the lute is much the same as on steel 
string or electric guitars, quite narrow.

People often say they couldn't possibly play a lute bigger than about 60cm 
because of the stretches.  People's hands differ, maybe I'm lucky but I have 
quite small hands and can still play that Ab chord (f1-b2-d4-b6) on a 67cm 
lute.  A few years ago I made a 76cm lute for Mark Wheeler and apart from the 
amazing power of it, I was delighted to find that playing most solos on it was 
no problem for me (or for him).

Smaller lutes might make some stretches easier but they have some problems of 
their own - as Thomas says, the "sweet spot" is quite narrow and in general I 
always feel more precision is required.  Some time ago Sean Smith reminded me 
of 

another factor, that as you go higher up the fingerboard and frets can get 
uncomfortably close together - a problem which disappears on a bigger lute.  I 
have a 53.5cm lute which I have always loved, but I have to get in training to 
play it.

The 67cm lutes are excellent for accompanying singers as well - more depth of 
sound, power and flexibility.

Dan, there are two of my C36 9c lutes for sale at the moment - one being 
advertised by Gordon Gregory, the other not yet advertised because I'm going to 
lower the action slightly (this is the striped yew one on my website).

Best to All,

Martin


On 01/02/2011 00:44, Daniel Winheld wrote:
> Awesome indeed- Martin's got the best one-stop operation for
> everything lute anywhere.
> 
> 67 cm. for a Renaissance lute ought to be a fine size. I owned a
> 72cm. 8 course "Division Bass" lute in E (A fluctuating between 415
> and 430) for years- the acid test for my left hand was the F chord (A
> flat on a "G" lute), first fret barre, little finger stopping "a",
> first course 5th fret. I could manage it; but a physically tiresome
> size in the long run, and really the pitch level was just about 1/2
> step too low for many pieces to sound their best. Not the best first
> choice for one's primary, work horse Renaissance lute.
> 
> But the sound itself was wonderful- full, sonorous, plenty of sustain
> with all gut stringing, a narrow Maler-sh body, from the
> Barber-Harris workshop. Wish I could have afforded to keep it, but my
> present lute, a serendipitous blessing from Dan Larson, is an 8
> course Venere style body at 64 cm. - nicely threading the middle
> ground between the twitchy, short-sustain alto/small tenor lutes and
> the bigger, more forgiving but tiresome stretchy low tenor/bass lutes.
> 
> I would love to have a copy of Martin's C36 lute in 9 courses, with a
> 10 fret neck.
> 
> Yes Martin, I think we all like your new lute, and the fine style
> with which you manage it. Keep up the great work; I've already
> printed out the piece. Lots of fun.
> 
> best,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> I enjoyed it all; the music, the playing, and the instrument.
>> Thanks for posting.
>> 
>> -Ned
>> On Jan 30, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
>> 
>>   Dear All,
>>   With one day to go, here is January's piece of the month:
>>    www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm
>>   - played on a new all-gut strung 7c lute (67cm, after Venere C36).
>> I hope you like it.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Martin



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