I agree Martin. As you can see by my previous
post, our soprano is 45 cm, and voiced at c,
using a 0.42 treble. It works, well, lasts a
long time, because we are not pushing the upper
limits of gut with pitch - length issues.
ed
At 09:52 AM 6/2/2011, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Hi All,
The Tieffenbrucker ("WE" = Wendelin Eberle?)
lute which everyone makes a version of is
actually 44cm. I agree with Sean, it is
possible to tune it to d'' at modern pitch with
nylon strings, but it is the equivalent of
tuning your 59cm "G lute" up to a', so not
recommended. Last year I finally did the
experiment - low tension, all gut strings in
c'', and it suddenly sounded right. Sometimes
we need to trust the historical evidence!
Best wishes,
Martin
P.S. By the way, the "correct" way to play
Pacoloni (no half measures) is bass in C, tenor
in D, treble in G. But a tone higher than that
is good (easier to find suitable instruments), and even F, G, C is good.
Anything which involves regarding a G lute as a "bass" is a bit of a joke.
On 02/06/2011 15:10, Sean Smith wrote:
Short answer, Anton: There are plenty of duos
for 4th apart. and there are plenty of duos for
5th apart. There has been little to no
information about how to pitch the smaller
instrument --or even the larger. Specify which
and your playing audience will find the
instruments. I find 4th apart to be very useful.
In the 1990's there was an American builder who
built quite a few Tieffenbrucker descant copies
at a 43cm mensur. There don't seem to be any
other models to build from. Unfortunately that
length is just a little long for a D instrument
and although it will reach with a nylon
topstring it sounds shrill to my ears. With few
people having an F lute this has been the
defacto descant in D for the Pacaloni trios.
The Vallet quartets demand two instruments an
octave apart so the descant must be a D.
When we found a shorter descant (40cm) the
shrill factor decreased considerably and we use
the "Tieffenbrucker" in C where it is
considerably happier. F-tenor and C-descant
make a very good 5th apart pair, too.
Ed Martin has a collection of vihuelas
including a descant. I'd be curious as to its length, tuning and topstring. Ed?
Best wishes and thanks for all the music!
Sean
On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Anton Höger wrote:
hi,
is the tuning for the Sopran lute in "c" or "d"?
I mean the open highest string of the sopran lute?
Thanks
Aton
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