> re-reading it and trying to absorb as much as I can. My experience as been that I needed to _do_ what he describes so as to see what he means.
> I appreciate your descriptions of the ornaments, and I know that going > "baroque" is going to require me to re-learn. I have heard it is like > learning a new language... Can't second that view. Stephen Stubbs (the one) once informed me, "your thumb must feel at home all over". Took me years to really learn it, and I'm still not exactly satisfied. But it applies to baroque lute music just as well as to renaissance music. Consider e. g. music by Francesco da Milano, Hans Newsidler, Francis Cutting, to name a few. The thumb is always to play the lower line, be it on the 2nd course or on the 6th. That way, you will be able to tell one voice froom another,and you will _hear_ the entrances of new voices. So IMO renaissance lute playing technique is a good prep school for baroque. Mathias > Hi Brent, > > > that's something we have in common, indeed! Are you currently studying > a section in that book? As for music, I like the F major section for > the best. > > > As for ornaments, I find it striking that he says, a trill starts on > the main note, but it is fashionable to combine, and to start it, with > a back-fall. > > In 1638, Pierre Gaultier published his own signs for ornaments. An x > means a trill. Gaultier's trill (tremblement) starts on the main note, > obviously, as he has another sign for the backfalls, but close to > never combines the two signs. > > The Pickering lute book (ca. 1645) has # for the trill and a comma for > the back fall. Both signs are more often than not combined. In other > words, the fashion of starting a trill with the upper auxiliary note > probably started during the 1640ies. > > Mace mirrors that development, obviously. > > > I'm thinking about Vieux Gaultier's music. He ceased to work in public > in 1631, which was before that fashion started. My conclusion is that > trills in Vieux Gaultier's music should start on the main note. Which > is a difficult thing as much of his music has gone through the sieve > of his cousin's editions (1669 / 1672) some twenty years after Vieux > Gaultier's death (1651). > > > His music seems to have been rewritten, as it continued to be popular, > but the tunings changed. Some of his pieces appear twice in one ms. in > two tunings, viz. flat tuning and D minor tuning (e. g. in D-RO > 54-xvii). > > > All of Ennemond Gaultier's music that Denis Gaultier published, is in > the D minor tuning. However, the first prints that included this > tuning, were published in 1638 (Ballard / Pierre Gaultier). Definitely > after Vieux Gaultier's retirement. > > > IMHO it seems safe to say that Vieux Gaultier probably used the tuning > that old-fashioned Thomas Mace still propagated in 1676, but that the > fashion of combining a trill with a back-fall hadn't yet started > during Viux Gaultier's active days. > > > Mathias > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Mace > > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:53:44 +0200 > > From: brentlynk <[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > Hi Mathias, > > > > Thanks for that...I actually like the book, too...It's nice to hear > > positive things about Mace! > > > > > > Regards, > > Brent > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 5:13:35 PM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mace > > > > > > > > May I say that I've learned a lot from Thomas Mace's book as regards > > French and English music of nthe 1620ies through 1670ies. And I > > particularly enjoyed his music which I perceived as a blend of French > > texture and English folk tunes. > > > > His tuning allows you to play all of that sophisticated music with > so > many accidentaly (at least in the CNRS editions) in simple keys > with > no or not more than one accidentals. > > > > Even partbooks with Mace's tuning have survived in the Bodleian > > iibrary. Nice consort music, or so I've read in an article by Rob > > MacKillop. > > > > Mathias (from Tunisia) > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >
