My reason for staying away from church "in droves" ever since coming of an age that I could decide to do so is quite independent of the presence or absence of schlocky music (that only shallowly apes popular music at its best). I think there is a real reason for religion to struggle to appear relevant in the modern era, but music probably isn't enough to make it so. Societal values change and always have.
This seems to have wandered so far from the interests of lute that I might encourage any replies to my aside be made off list. Best, Eugene -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward Mast Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:59 AM To: Christopher Wilke Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers A very sad state of affairs, Chris. I never understood the church's - catholic, protestant, or otherwise - desire to revise its music programs to reflect what is going on musically in society; to appear to be more "relevant". If you remove the unique and beautiful musical aspects of the church service and make it more like what's going on everywhere outside the church, don't you also remove the motivation for congregants to come and experience something they don't find outside the church? If, as you say, young people have stayed away in droves, it would seem so. On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Ned > Donatella, > In America the change in music came much earlier, in many places > preceding the Second Vatican Council. The Catholic Church in America > took great pride in dissociating itself from "old world ways" by > rejecting chant and polyphony. In its place, they replaced these > traditions with very poor pseudo-folk music. I suppose this was done in > order to provide "hip" music to attract young people, under the > assumption that no one under 30 can stand still long enough to > appreciate beauty. Unfortunately, the resultant music was some hideous > hybrid that succeeded in being neither appropriately sacred nor in any > way interesting to young people. At any rate, young people stayed away > in droves, largely because of this smaltzy stuff. Still, these very > same wannabe hippy songs - now approaching 50 years old - and the > stated need to use them to attract young people are repeated ad > nauseum. > One of the great unwritten-about artistic travesties of the 20th > century is the fact that this entire repertoire, which replaced a > still-living century's old tradition, was not called for by any Church > decree, but was largely engineered by the publishing company Oregan > Catholic Press. If you go to practically any church in the country you > will find the same poor quality songs from the 1960's and 1970's in the > hymnals. This is not due to regulation, but rather a publishing deal. > Chris > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. > Music Faculty > Nazareth College, Rochester, NY > State University of New York at Geneseo > Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer > www.christopherwilke.com > --- On Wed, 3/14/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 3:49 AM > > I googled, in Italian, and this came out [1]http://www.giovaninsede. > it/animazione-liturgica.php , there are no notes as music is not > thaught in the same way as abroad, so average people can sometimes read > chords ( sigh) and that is. You can get an idea. I used to go to Mass > as a child, and songs which were sung were possibly ancient and > complex, often in Latin, then when the previous Pope came, he > destroyed that part, I guess to make audience ( sad to say, but that > is), so that songs became the poorest, musically speaking, you can > imagine, accompanied by guitar, organ was heard now and then. It was > part of a "renovation" of which I can give an example: in the village > where I go on holiday , there is a Chapel with a Renaissance painting. > It needed restoring, but it was visible. Well , it was covered with a > representation of a black Madonna ( I can't think of the proper name > right now) which is not even of any artistic value. > To me listening to > the Mass became a real suffering, this is not the main reason why I > quit, but I did. > Lute and theorbo are allowed, I have been asked > several times to play a piece during the mass ( but I have not done it > up to now) > Donatella > ----Messaggio originale---- > Da: > [2][email protected] > Data: 14/03/2012 1.06 > A: "Lute Net"<lute@cs. > dartmouth.edu> > Ogg: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers > On Mar > 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Tony wrote: >> The Church's doctrine on > liturgical music can be summarized in seven >> points .... > Doubtless > there are listers who know more about this than I do, but this list > seems like a compilation of things that have been said on the subject > over the centuries, rather than functioning doctrine. A lot of it is > pre-Vatican II. The one about guitars, for example, is obviously forty > or fifty years years out of date. Try googling: catholic mass guitar > (no quotes). Apparently the current pope Benedict doesn't like > guitars. > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > E' nata indoona: chiama, videochiama e messaggia Gratis. Scarica > indoona per iPhone, Android e PC: [4]http://www.indoona.com/ > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.giovaninsede/ > 2. file://localhost/mc/[email protected] > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 4. http://www.indoona.com/ >
