Thanks Rob. This is interesting. Presumably the publisher/record company must get something worthwhile out of this, or they wouldn't be agreeing to let Spotify include their tracks. Either that or they view it as a marketing tool that will encourage listeners to buy the download or the CD. It works that way with me, but presumably I'm in a minority.
Not being of the 'download' generation, and finding the sleeve notes greatly enhance my listening enjoyment, I tend to buy the CD of anything I like. Tony Bailes' recent 'Netherlands' CD cost me over -L-20 including postage and tax from the record company (Carpe Diem) in Germany. I wonder how much of that will end up in Tony's pocket? Unfortunately, the music industry is in a mess these days, and nobody has yet found a way to make sure the artist gets their due. Illegal downloads and dodgy CDs are, of course, rife, but it would appear to be the case, too, that even when things are done legally, the artist is at the end of the queue for picking up their meagre share of the takings. Bill From: Rob MacKillop <[email protected]> To: William Samson <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 12:01 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Will I be shot down in flames by suggesting you don't use Spotify? The thing is a massive rip off. The musician gets almost nothing for being on it. Lady Gaga had over a million plays on it, and received just over 100 dollars. Imagine what Anthony Bailes would receive... Many musicians are boycotting the site, including Bob Dylan, who doesn't need the money, but wants to support other artists. We all want something for free, but sometimes the cost is too high. I'm not talking about the income musicians get from CDs, which is very small in our lute world, but the record companies will not bother making any more lute recordings is even we as lute players do not support them. Sorry, Bill. I know you bought the disc, so full marks there. But I want others to think about using Spotify, what it entails. Sadly, I'm also on Spotify - I had no control over it, and didn't even know I was there until someone asked for a free score of pieces he was listening to me play on Spotify...and got annoyed at me when I said no. Rob MacKillop On 16 March 2012 11:31, William Samson <[1][email protected]> wrote: Hi Martyn, Go to [1][2]www.spotify.com where you can download the player onto your computer. There are then two options - you can go for the free version which has occasional ads between tracks, or the paid version that is ad-free. Being a Scotsman I put up with the ads! Best wishes, Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[3][email protected]> To: William Samson <[4][email protected]> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 11:17 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Thanks Bill - how does one access spotify? rgds M--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[5][email protected]> wrote: From: William Samson <[6][email protected]> Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[7][email protected]> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 10:38 I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you have access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how things are elsewhere. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[8][email protected]> To: "[9][email protected]" <[10][email protected]>; Edward Martin <[11][email protected]>; William Samson <[12][email protected]> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 9:04 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument......... --- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2][13][email protected]> wrote: From: William Samson <[3][14][email protected]> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[4][15][email protected]>, "[5][16][email protected]" <[6][17][email protected]>, "Edward Martin" <[7][18][email protected]> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][8][19][email protected]> To: [2][9][20][email protected]; Edward Martin <[3][10][21][email protected]> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Edward, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '......a lute the size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for the performance of 17th century French lute music,......' regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin <[1][4][11][22][email protected]> wrote: From: Edward Martin <[2][5][12][23][email protected]> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: [3][6][13][24][email protected] Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones, For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. 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