Exactly.
BTW, a recent (2009) must-read on the topic is David Ledbetters "Unaccompanied Bach" (Yale University Press), which includes studies on the violin, cello and lute/Lautenwerk works.

Regards

Stephan





Am 26.04.2012, 21:06 Uhr, schrieb Jarosław Lipski <[email protected]>:

Discussion is always a good thing, the problem begins when someone makes very definite statements like- the evidence would be that Bach did not write any music specifically intended for solo lute
-  or -You know what I am going to say next–perhaps you should sit down
I understand that it was addressed to guitar players, but still we need more evidence before trying to convince someone that A or B is true. Musicology is a tricky bussiness and there is a lot of speculation on lute pieces by Bach. I'd rather use some arguments from available scholarly literature than made ad hoc theories, unless the reason for this was to stir a discussion.

jl


Wiadomoœæ napisana przez [email protected] w dniu 26 kwi 2012, o godz. 20:02:

...   It's obviously a bit of
popular-press fluff, not even quite "gray literature," but that stuff
tends to reach much more of the general public than scholarly
literature ever will.  > Eugene
I agree.
 The interesting thing to me on this topic is the response it is getting
from the Lute list.  Yes, you lutenists who have been at it for 20 - 30
years already know this, but I think that in all likelihood, the rest of the music world does not. An article like this on a "guitar site" (nose upturned?) will probably reach a lot more people, and therefore could be a good thing, bringing more attention to lutes from other musical disciplines. Something
I have noticed in reading liner notes to CDs / LPs is that, for example,
keyboard afficianodos sometimes seem to be unaware that a Bach piece
was also arranged by the man himself for other instruments.  The same is
true for violin, etc.
"Any press is good press - even bad press." I personally think that the more people write about these things, the better. And if you have pertinent info that this writer doesn't seem to have, maybe they would like to know about it?
Knowledge, especially accurate knowledge, is best shared with the world.
And anything done to place the word Lute in front of a wider audience is going
to be good for lutes and lutenists.
 I'll look forward to future responses.
Tom
However, there is at least a fair amount of reference to primary
source material (the manuscripts themselves).  It's obviously a bit of
popular-press fluff, not even quite "gray literature," but that stuff
tends to reach much more of the general public than scholarly
literature ever will.

Eugene

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Stephan Olbertz Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:35 AM Cc:
[email protected] Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Re: Bach´s Lute
Suites: This Myth is Busted

Am 25.04.2012, 22:27 Uhr, schrieb Daniel Winheld <[email protected]>:

The article was aimed at the guitar crowd,

And that's probably why the article is a bit superficial. ;-) A real
contribution would need to be in scholarly style. No references here,
no mentioning of newer literature (e.g. by Negwer, Dierksen, Hofmann,
Ledbetter), lots of statements without evidence.

Regards

Stephan





still clinging to illusions
of lute. It's tough letting go.
But he put it all together very nicely, I thought.

On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Braig, Eugene wrote:

While I enjoyed this read, I didn't see anything particularly new
here.  For example, Hopkinson Smith specifically named all the
sources of Bach's original "lute" music in the liner notes he
drafted for his recording of this music around 30 years ago.  He
also stated their evident non-lute provenance.  I have heard Paul
O'Dette unequivocally state on more than one occasion something
like "Sorry, Bach did not write for the lute."  Etc.  I suspect
that anybody who is still clinging to the notion that Bach
knowingly composed lute music after having had some exposure to
some reference of the source material either really, really wants
to believe so to somehow legitimize the lute or is a fan of modern
classical guitar who wants to somehow legitimize the perceived
ancestor of his/her own instrument.

Best,
Eugene

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 25,
2012 11:58 AM To: [email protected]; Luca Manassero Subject:
[LUTE] [LUTE] Bach´s Lute Suites: This Myth is Busted

A very interesting article.  I can't wait to see the responses
from
the rest of the list!  I am reminded that Walther Gerwig did an
arrangement of Bach's Cello Suite No.1 in G major, BWV1007.  Very
nice and beautifully played - in Renaissance tuning!
Tom



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