While all those observations about the passage in and out of tradition
   of composed tunes (avoiding the issue of how a 'traditional' tune is
   supposed to have come about in the first place) are very valid, would
   we agree that the substance of the original post - that " little of the
   folk music from 1400-1650 has survived" is valid ... bearing mind that
   its by definition impossible to be that precise, because, like species
   which go extinct without leaving fossil evidence, we can never know how
   many tunes and lyrics have come and gone for forever.  But even within
   one locality, over a generation, there may be many dozens of such
   things in circulation, many of which will disappear over time.  That
   would suggest a very great number of extinction  tunes and songs, over
   time and over the various countries normally associated with reliable
   historical record.

   Returning to more lute related considerations, the same thing
   essentially must hold for the renaissance lute repertoire, the earlier
   times - if one is thinking back to 1400 - even more?



   Stephen

     --- Original message ---
     Subject: [LUTE] Re: Survival of folk music from 1400-1650.
     From: Christopher Stetson <[email protected]>
     To: <[email protected]>
     Date: Friday, 10/08/2012 3:46 PM
         Indeed indeed. One doesn't even have to go back that far to find
         authorship forgotten. Many 19th century American composers who
     weren't
         Stephen Foster have unwittingly contributed to the folk
     tradition.
         Just what springs to mind: Lydia Maria Childs' "Over the River
     and
         Through the Woods", Septimus Winner's "How Much is That Doggie
     in the
         Window", and perhaps most famously, Patty and Midred Hill's
     "Happy
         Birthday to You" are all frequently credited as "traditional".

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