that's the whole point of the Meucci paper -
that chitarrone was exactly that,
and gradually evolved into conflation with theorbo.
RT


On 1/31/2013 6:24 PM, WALSH STUART wrote:
On 31/01/2013 22:33, Monica Hall wrote:

I still don't understand that if this is a 'chitarra' and chitarra relates to what other places called 'gittern' (with all the spelling variants), how these things are this big?

Like Topsy - it just grew!

Well then, I wonder why the players of the time just didn't play an ordinary lute. Nice and straightforward - just playing the top four or five courses? Or do we have a precursor of the later mandora/gallichon idea (as often suggested) of the mandora/gallichon as a simpler form of lute. In the 18th century the Baroque lute was a bit of a monster and (it is often suggested) the mandora/gallichon was just a bit more straightforward to play.

And if the chitarra italiana was flourishing in the 1620s the same thing was happening. The lute was then sprouting more bass strings and (I'm not sure about the Italian states) experimenting with new tunings. So the chitarra was a simpler option of the time?

However that may be, the chitarra in these images (found in these recent posts: in Lute in Europe2, and by Bill and now Roman) is quite large, lute-sized - a lot larger than any 15th century chitarra/gittern. And the whole point of the chitarra italiana story is that the chitarra has its origins in the small medieval instrument, not a lute. And... from the point of view of the centuries-old chitarra/gittern, the chitarra of the 1620s in these images is itself a chitarrone - a large chitarra. So the actual chitarrone of the time is a quite gigantic mega-chitarrone!


Stuart

Monica



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