Further to the recent mailings about using supports to the bar ends of
   lutes (as commonly found on guitars) to avoid then becoming loose,
   there were few responses and the gist seemed to bit that it was a good
   idea and unlikely to injure the instrument's tone.

   This may be the case, but I'd like to insert a note of caution: as far
   as I'm aware no old lute has such bar end supports so we need to be
   very careful before considering their general modern use.  Perhaps the
   slight angle between the rib and belly - a little less than a right
   angle - provides sufficient end support if the bars are fitted
   precisely to the rib and at the exact same angle (not possible on the
   guitar which is a right angle). And, of course, the vast majority of
   lute makers did not seem to make guitars - and vice-versa (few
   exceptions such as Tielke of course and a some workshops) .

    One other factor which provides more secure bar end fixing also occurs
   to me: Mace speaks of a method of sticking on the belly in one
   operation (and of ensuring the bar ends are very well applied with
   glue). It's a procedure I now usually follow and, tho' it can be a bit
   nerve-wracking, the capability of animal glue to be readily remelted
   in-situ allows post fixing adjustments to be easily made (and indeed
   Mace mentions this). If one makes a pig's ear of the whole business one
   can remove again, clean up and try again next day.  It occurs to me
   that the (modern?) method of sticking on a lute belly by working slowly
   round trying to get glue into the join is fine - except when one comes
   to the bar end where it can be difficult to ensure one has worked in
   sufficient glue - in short the bar end may be starved.

   The latest original historic lute I've been able to examine inside in
   detail is a 1773 instrument by Stautinger which exhibits all lute
   construction features and has no bar end supports. Altho an internal
   repair had taken place to the back which had suffered a serious dent,
   access had been made by the rose being cut out (and crudely replaced
   after) rather than the belly being removed;  the original belly
   fixing/gluing was still (I believe) in place - and the external wooden
   liner (as commonly found on 18th century lutes) seemed wholly
   undisturbed. All the bars were still glued securely to the sides (with
   quite a bit of squeeze out evident on a few too).

   In short, if the bar ends are closely fitted to the angled ribs and
   sufficient glue is put onto the ends I think there is no need to
   consider additional supports like those being suggested. But I
   understand very high humidity, in the US especially, may be a
   contributory factor to bar end failure with which we here do not have
   to cope......

   MH

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