----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Ness" <[email protected]>
To: "Stephan Olbertz" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Lute List" <[email protected]>; "Baroque Lute List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kohlhase-notation


  Dear Stephan,



  I wouldn't necessarily call the Kohlhase notation musicological, since
  it is simply a way of notating lute music on a continuous staff, rather
  than one with the conventional break between the hands for keyboard,
  marimba and harp music.  Often erroneously called "keyboard"
  notation when used for lute music, this designation can result in
  misunderstanding about the nature and use of  transcriptions of
  tablature into pitch notation. And no one calls notation for marimba
  and harp, "keyboard" notation. Why should lute music in pitch notationm
  be called "keyboard"?  It's a misnomer coined by guitarist. Preferable
  is the conventional term "grand staff" notation.  Too frequently the
  term "keyboard" lute notation suggests to the uninitiated that
  the music has been arranged (adapted) for a keyboard instrument, e.g.,
  a Boesendorfer, whereas the grand staff has long been the standard
  pitch notation for lute.  And some pioneer 20th century lutenists
  seemed to have played only from pitch notation, e.g., Gerwig.



  Two world-touring lutenists told me that , when working up a piece for
  a recital or CD, they always consult a transcription, or if none is
  available, make their own.



  In recent years Thomas Kohlhase seems to be the earliest to use the
  continuous staff, with an imaginary line for middle C.  That is, 5
  (bass clef)  lines +5 (treble clef) +1 (middle C with ledgerlines)  =
  eleven lines and ten spaces::



  ____________________________
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  g __________________________
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  c __    __      __           __   ___
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  F __________________________
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  The reasoning behind this staff layout is that regular grand staff for
  keyboard separates the left and right hands, whereas with lute there is
  no separation, and the continuous  clef better reflects the shape of
  the music.   A leap of a ninth, F to G looks the same as a ninth, e to
  ff.
  I long thought our Doug Smith was the first to use the continuous
  clef, using it for examples in an article on Weiss in Early Music
  (1980) and then in his Weiss edition (1983 ff.), but Kohlhase was
  earlier in the New Bach Edition (1977, rev.1982), and[perhaps still
  earlier in his dissertation on Bach's lute music  of 1972.  But still
  earlier Schrade used the continuous staff in his edition of the works
  of Luis Milan (1928).  But his bizarre edition is so unique it deserves
  a separate name, Schrade Method.





  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Stephan Olbertz" <[1][email protected]>
  To: "Baroque lute Dmth" <[2][email protected]>
  Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:20 AM
  Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Kohlhase-notation
  > Dear all,
  >
  > do we have an earlier source for the so-called "musicological
  notation" of
  > lute music (with a space of one ledger line between the staves) than
  > Kohlhase's NBA-edition? From his foreword it seems that he invented
  it.
  >
  > Best regards
  >
  > Stephan
  >
  >
  >
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