Here's a shorter URL - Might save frustration!
[1]http://tinyurl.com/oq3wjxw
Bill
From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Lex van Sante <lvansa...@gmail.com>; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 13:45
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portrait of William Lawes holding a lute
We have to keep in mind the fact that people change as the years go
by,
and Lawes was in his early forties when he was killed. Here is a
link
to the best known portrait
[1][2]http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=KcqMGnor
JF
j6oM&tbnid=UFdjUs8LBED5TM:&vedAIQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classical.net
%2Fmusic%2Fimages%2Fcomposer%2Fl%2Flawesw.jpg&ei=fl_2UfeRKeOx0AXX5IDYCw
&psig-QjCNGgcKZahVk1UlYah4NJv_cMDyHL-g&ust75187157665306
It seems plausible, to me, that this is the same person at a
different
time.
When I Googled images of William Lawes there were a few red herrings
in
the hits - notably of his brother Henry Lawes (who looks quite
different) and of Matthew Locke (though I can't think why he should
turn up).
Bill
From: Lex van Sante <[3]lvansa...@gmail.com>
To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 12:59
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portrait of William Lawes holding a lute
I don't see any resemblance between the appearance of the sitter in
this painting as compared to the other paintings known to depict
William Lawes.
Greetings from sunny Spain! (I really hate holidays :-))
Lex
2013/7/29 Martyn Hodgson <[1][2][5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Dear David,
I too heartily concur about lack of standardisation in 'olden
times'.
Another area worth mentioning is theorbos: the modern fashion
seems to
be generally for double re-entrant instruments (even where
not
necessary because of the small size!) whereas in the 17th
century,
instruments with just the first course an octave down seemed
just
as
usual (if not more so...).
And don't get me started on the modern widespread use of
single
strung
theorbos (and even archlutes!) when so much evidence points
to
double
stringing for the fingered courses...................
regards
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: David Van Edwards <[2][3][6]da...@vanedwards.co.uk>
To: William Samson <[3][4][7]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "[4][5][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[5][6][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 21:15
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portrait of William Lawes holding a lute
Dear Bill,
Yes I agree about the lack of standardisation! We're obsessed
with
defining things these days.
I've had a go at altering the levels on that picture and with
a
bit
of jiggery-pokery it shows that we will never know what sort
of
lute
he's holding. He's sitting with his left arm over the back of
a
Spanish style chair and the head of the lute is clearly well
off
the
bounds of the picture. So it could be anything!
I'm sure you're right about local makers being involved in
many
of
the alterations. In fact the little Mest 12 course in
Linkoping
is
almost certainly a case in point, the neck and pegboxes are
much
poorer quality work than the beautifully made back.
Best wishes,
David
At 13:25 +0100 28/7/13, William Samson wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Yes - It's interesting to consider the 'Molenaer'-type
double-header as
> an alternative to the curly headed one with stepped
nuts.
From
the
> Rauwolf and those paintings where the strings can be
counted, the
> straight extension type seem to be 11-course
instruments.
My own
new
> one is only 10 courses, so it is conjectural (and anyway
it
looks
cool,
> which is the whole point *;) winking ). Looking at the
iconography,
> there's a much greater variety of pegbox configurations
than
we
tend to
> see in these times when 'standardisation' seems to be
the
thing.
It
> makes me wonder if alterations of lutes to bring them up
to
date
were
> sometimes done locally, by people who weren't top-notch
luthiers,
and
> so we get this wonderful variety in the iconography.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bill
> From: David Van Edwards
<[1][6][7][10]da...@vanedwards.co.uk>
> To: William Samson <[2][7][8][11]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "[3][8][9][12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[4][9][10][13]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 12:26
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portrait of William Lawes holding a
lute
> Dear Bill,
> Thanks very much for alerting us to that. No, I don't
know
the
> picture at all and I notice that the first question in
the
comments
> section is asking where it is. No answer as yet, maybe
he
will
> respond later.
> There is also the conjecture which Lynda Sayce put
forward
that
his
> "theorbo", which was destroyed after being kept until
the
19th
> century in an Oxford college, was in fact, like Pepys,'
a
12
course
> double header, of either sort. And this picture *could*
be
consistent
> with either of those. So possibly you're again up with
the
zeitgeist
> in building your extended neck double-header!
> On that design, it is noticeable that there are many
more
of
them
in
> French iconography than of the English/Netherlandish
curly
pegbox
> sort and that they do die out pretty quickly. So maybe
Mary
Burwell
> tutor is referring to that sort when it talks of the
French
taking
> them up and then dropping them. True it refers to
Gaultier
having
> invented the form and we have the engraving of Gaultier
holding
the
> curly sort but it is at least conceivable that he
actually
"invented"
> the straight form while still in France and then later
in
England
> taking up or "inventing" the curly form with its stepped
basses.
> Certainly the Burwell tutor's disparagement of "them
long
basses"
> fits rather more with the straight form, several of
which
are
shown
> with really quite long basses. As indeed has the Rauwolf
survivor
in
> Copenhagen.
> Best wishes,
> David
> At 09:19 +0100 28/7/13, William Samson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In today's Telegraph (I hope those of you from
outside
the UK
will
> be
> > able to access this link!) there's an article about
Lawes and
his
> music
> > and it's accompanied by a portrait of him that I've
never
seen
> before
> > now.
> >
> >
>
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> > tt-a-6-in-F.html
> >
> > I would guess it's a 10-course instrument, but
it's
impossible to
> tell
> > from the image.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --
> >
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> >
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